🇮🇹 How could Italy be added as its own faction

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Before reading my suggestion, I suggest reading Redmity’s suggestion.
Here : Independent Sub-Faction Tech Tree

Althrought Italy is currently in the game as a “sub-faction” in the german faction, it should be split to make the game more historically accurate and make the grind easyer in the germany tech tree.
Since it has a lot of weapons that were manly used by Italy.
In this suggestion, I present a deatiled idea of how a new faction could be implemented.

Should Italy be added as an independent sub-faction?

  • Yes
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Firstly I focus on already existing stuff.
There are already a lot of existing weapons,veichles(and other stuff) in the german tech tree and as permium/event squads. Those could be added to the italian tech tree and as italian permium/event squads with minimal work.Also the event/BP/Gold order weapons will aslo be added as italian equipment.

How this Changes would work?
If an italian weapon is equiped it would be remowed from the solider and replaced with a Gewehr 33/40.(this would not be implemented on weapons locked to a squad)
After that all the italian weapons would be transfered from the german equipments tab to the italian equipments tab.

Soliders whos nationality is set to italian will be set back to german and the player would recive an appearance oreder for each of these changes.
The italian hero soliders will be stripped of their equipment(will be transfered to the equiments tab) and would be replaced with a german rifleman 1 solider.

In the german tech tree all of the italian equipment will disappear, if the player had them reshearched they will recive the xp amount needed to unlock it (if in progress they will recive te amount they had in them). If the reshearch is bought they will also recive the silver needed to buy the reshearch.

In the work shop upgrades tab the italian weapons and their upgrades will be removed and the player will recive upgrade points from all the removed upgrades on italian weapons(if had them unlocked), if they cannot upgrade anithing with them, instead of upgrade points they will recive 2-3 weapon upgrade orders(or anything for compesation) for each point.

All the squads you unlock with italian weapons will be unlocked be the next(or previus) german weapon.
All the italian squad you unlock in the german tech tree will be changed to a german squad(legacy squad could be used, if they get updated to the weapon upgrades and other upgrades that the italian squads had).

As for premium squad the squad name, icon and soliders nationatalywill be changed, if the squad had a +solider that solider will be unequped and sent to the reserv.

Possible italian tech tree with no new weapons and other stuff :
RED= it doesn’t get removed from the german tech tree

Rifles: (BR1) Carcano M41 - Carcano Mod. 38(7.35mm) - Carcano M1891 - (BR2) Mannlicher M1895 - Armaguerra Mod. 39
Snipers: (BR1) Sniper carcano Mod. 38(7.35mm) - Carcano M91 with scope mount
Submachineguns : (BR1) Beretta M38A - (BR2) Beretta M1918 - FNAB-43 - Beretta M1 - Beretta M38/42 - (BR3) Beretta M38A 40
Machineguns: (BR2) Breda Mod. 30
Heavy equipment : (BR1) none - (BR2) none - (BR3) Panzerfaust 60 - (BR4) Panzerfaust 100
Tanks : (BR1) AB 41 - M14/41 - 75/32 M41
Planes : (BR1) Re.2000 serie 1 - (BR2) C. 202EC - (BR3) none - (BR4) Fiat G.55

What map could the new faction get?
Tunisia
Normandy
Stalingrad

This would be the base of a possible italian tech tree.
This does not mean they cant get any german weapons in their tech tree.
Italians would still fight with the germans on some fronts(stalingrad), but they would get their own battles later.

How sould this be introduced in an update?
At least we need italy to be able to play up to br3

Is this a good way of adding italy as an independent sub-faction into the game?

  • Yes
  • No
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I accept any correction.

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I have a different approach: Instead of purely adding United Kingdom and Italy as single nations, they would be merged with other minor nations:

  • The commonwealth
  • The axis (portraited as Italy, but it would include hungary, austria, denmark, finland)
  • I aso consider adding the Japanese empire, with minor allies as Manchukuo, PETA, INA, altough I’m not sure if it would be viable

That way none of them would lack stuff for higher BRs. Matchmaking would work based on alliances, like in WT: the Commonwealt gets matched with America and Germany with Italy (axis)

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enlisted is not historical accurate though.

a bit of a weird " point " to start with.

but anyway.

i have yet to see any downsides on leaving italy ( or britain ) as a sub nation under germany or us.

they have way more benefit than being a stand alone nation.

which the bp already supports more niche guns that are protos from both the main nation and sub nations.

imo, i see very little value in separating them when they are fine being where they are.

if anything, there should be a side shop to allow players to buy the missing squad types for the sub nations and call it a day.

much less work needed.

… i don’t see why i should lose the ability to run mixed squads in my line up that contains germans and italians.
or british and americans.

after all, they did fought along side.

and some battlegroups were formed with mixed nations.

i think that’s why most like enlisted.

you can have and use mixed units rather than one.
having the best of both worlds if needed.

EDIT.

like at best, a sub division tab within the main one to ease the grind i guess.

but outright separating them and remove the ability to use guns or vehicles from both is worse imo.

after all, italians did used panzers and other german guns. much like the germans would use italians semoventes, carcanos and other stuff.
same goes for the UK.

their special forces like the SAS and paras did used M1 carbines and thompsons.
as well as shermans and other stuff.

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Yes The UK should be added with the common whealt, but the smaller axis powers(HU,SK,RO,Finnland) manly fought on the eastern front, and italy fought a lot in africa and shouthern italy, the other smaller axis powers should get their own faction separate from Ialy and germany.

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True but there were battles where only one nation fought.

This is the other main reason.

I agree they should be able to use german guns if this happens, i did not want to complicate stuff so i only wrotedown the italian waepons.

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while i can sort of get the main argument,

… that boat has long sailed with chinese, australians, moroc squads in the european theathers, or in afrika where those would have never been.

( australians and moroc units were deployed in afrika. but you get what i mean. one not over the other for logisitical and already engaging elsewhere etc )

a bit too late to remedy that imo.

on this, i kinda have to disagree.

while yes, it sucks not being able to start with ones main favorite squads,

i think it’s " part of the grind " and appeal to keep playing by forming your squads.

personally, it’s one of the main reason why i keep playing.

i like making historical accurate presets for all campaigns when i play customs.
which does require a ton of squads.

and reintroducing ( like they said they would… but still havent’ ) the legacy squads.

you writed the opposite though:

which it’s why i think it’s more feasable to just add a sub faction page instead of separating them outright from the main faction.

because if one enjoys BR V, … not sure they would go with the italians to begin with it. but if they want, they should have the choice.

most of italian equipment wouldn’t reach that.

even though they did had few tigers I and panthers.
… from germany.

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How? I can get american squad with briths personel but that doesn’t mean the squad is briths.

I did not, i worte :

That italian can use german weapons, germans cant use italian weapons.

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in an ideal world,
progressing towards unlocking said squads that you want in the afromentioned side shop.

or, as dev told, through silver crates ( which it’s awefull… but like most things are ).

…
but why…

the point of enlisted is to be a sandbox.
kinda like history channels at 2 AM.

and if you really want to spin it,
germans did used italian tanks and carcano rifles due to the abboundance of ammunitions left by the italians both in north africa and in the southern front during the italian campaign and “invasions” of the allied through italy.

( side note, even the volkssturm were issued with carcanos and others italian weapons way passed those two campaigns ).

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If they add it im good.

exactly, if its a sandbox i should be able to choose an italian line up with experimental weapons and fight in tunisia not in the battle of the bulge.

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rightt…

a bit annoying that they said they would add them through rotational siver boxes each update,

but the last one we haven’t got one.

even with all the suggested threads about it and overwhealming support.

though it’s not unsual as far things go around here…

still. let’s hope for something better than rng crates.
but i think that’s what they be aiming at.

… rng is their best friend for people spending money on it.
so a bit shall we say… intentionally shitty :tm:

not anymore.

the reason why campaigns were replaced with the merge and the said campaigns being "reunificated " was becase there weren’t enough players for all campaigns.

but, you could just pretend it’s not battle of the bulge and what not, just a mere map in italy during snow.

… architecture aside,
as said, enlisted is not quite historical accurate… nor should after all.

just a game i suppose.

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I would like to play italy as its own sub-faction but that doesnt mean they cant fight with the germans in stalingrad and elswhere , i didnt said the match making will be comletly separate, it would be a more italian faction but that doesnt mean they dont fight with the germans.

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there’s no prove for this argument
We were asking for merged tech tree at that time

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The problem I have with an independent italy is an independent uk in which uk gots it’s gear from the allied tree while keeping critical us gear thus just making a weaker us tree especially br 1 2 and the recently reaching completion br4, taking crucial elements like the 76mm or 16 pounder, I like the idea in theory but the us does not have as many slave countries as the axis to plug holes with, the us has the Commonwealth and as of yet that is largely it.

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The only thing the us lose is the br2 machineguns ,but they are probably replacable whit an experimental machine gun.
At any br the commonwhealt is not superior to the us.

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what i’m saying is,

using BOTH german and italian squads in my line up.

not separate.
which for most people includes using mixed weapons of both factions.

bots lobbies and one sided matches filled to the brim were all the proves anyone ever needed.

having tinted rose glasses serves no one.

even if i kinda liked campaigns my self,
the game had to move away from a model that didn’t worked.

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Tech tree you missed the
P14
M1917 einfield
Ross 3
Sten mk2
Owen mk1
SMLE 3
Lee 4
Lee4 sniper
Vicker
Bren kk1
Bren mk2
Lancaster
Lewis
Boys are
2 inch mortar
Piat
A13
Daimler mk2
M3vgrant
Crusader
Hurican
Spitfire c
Beafighter
Spitfighter b
Cromwell
Churchill
Jumbo 76
Meteor

That’s 3 out of four br2 tech tree rifles

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i had suggested allowing you to import some event weapons that were used by both sides the solothurn is a notable one used on many italian light vehicles so if any events past or future have weapons both sides used you can choose where it goes rather than the devs assigning or duplicating it arbitrarily

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Surely they could find more USA tech then?

If Japan can survive on its own surely USA can??

IMO thats not a valid argument against separate UK or Italy tree.

Indeed what UK equipment does USA actually rely on, in real life or in game??

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But it only gets uk/comonwealth gear not every us gear they owned like five of so
No Johnson’s, garands, bars, m8 m10 m18, sherman jumbos, pershings, t20, hydes, 50 round thompsons

I am not opposed to uk pulling it’s gear, I am opposed to uk pulling it’s gear and using us gear to plug the holes
And again 3 out of 4 br2 rifles are uk
Japan relies on paper and prototypes something people give japan a pass on no one else gets

Step one uk only gets commonwealth gear and us weapons the used en mass in combat no there were five in the home guard
The us gets a lot more prototypes and the uk but only commonwealth prototypes to paper over the holes

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br1 at weapon boys at
Bren mk1
Bren mk2
br4 16 pbr tanks
P14
M1917 einfield
Ross 3
SMLE 3
meteor
Lewis
2 inch mortar
Lee4 sniper