Guerrilla III Squads For Tech Tree

[Slakrrrrrr]

Here’s a link for the previous suggestion on Guerrilla Is.

Currently, there is only one Guerrilla squad available in each tech tree, which unlocks the Guerrilla II soldier via a BR 2 SMG or Shotgun unlock:

USSR: PPSh-41 Obrez
Allies: Ithaca 37
Axis: PPSh-41 Obrez (No Front Sight)
Japan: FN Browning Auto-5

This suggestion is for a Guerrilla III Squad, which would also be a tech tree unlock. Guerrilla IIIs would be able to use the same weapons as Guerilla Is and IIs, and would have a maximum 22/16/21 perk distribution (Guerrilla II is 21/16/19). Their default perk would be +60% Climbing Speed.

These squads would be unlocked via BR 3 SMGs. In particular, these SMGs would be otherwise BR 2 SMGs in terms of balancing, but featuring suppressors, and are exclusive to the Guerrilla class. Suppressed SMGs as a potential inclusion to the tech trees was a concern with the PPSh-41 (S) that was once planned to be a tech tree addition, but these suggested weapons offer a firepower tradeoff for their utility, and are exclusive to Guerrillas only. They would also, of course, be present for all of the tech trees.

TECH TREE UNLOCKS

USSR: PPT-27 BraMit

5.5 (6.6) Damage
1080 (1270) Rate of Fire
20 Rounds
2.2 Second Reload Speed

The PPT-27 is one of few early Soviet SMGs to ever be equipped with a suppressor. This SMG has better stats than the PPT-28 battlepass weapon, making it very effective at close-range.

Allies: Thompson M1 20 (S)

6.6 (8.0) Damage
800 (920) Rate of Fire
20 Rounds
2.3 Second Reload Speed

This is essentially the same SMG as the Thompson M1 (S) in the No.1 Commando premium Guerrilla squad, but with a 20 round magazine.

Axis: MP 40 (L41)

5.7 (6.8) Damage
500 (570) Rate of Fire
32 Rounds
2.1 Second Reload Speed

The MP 40 Silenced in the 277th Reconnaissance Battalion uses the L26 silencer, while this version uses the Arado L41 silencer.

Japan: Type 100 Early (S)

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5.5 (6.6) Damage
700 (810) Rate of Fire
30 Rounds
2.2 Second Reload Speed

A limited number of Type 100 SMGs were supposedly modified by the SNLF (Special Naval Landing Forces) for covert operations. The same may also be true for the MP 28 7.63mm (Type Be).

POTENTIAL EVENT & PREMIUMS

When a new squad type is introduced in a major update, they are typically accompanied by two premium squads in a bundle, and two event squads in a 10-13 stage event. For potential premium and event squads, there is potential for premium or event Guerrilla squads to use also use silenced Machine Guns. Any SMG or Machine Gun with a silencer or suppressor will lose 0.2 damage compared to the regular variant:

USSR: DP-27 (S) (BR 3)

11.8 (13.0) Damage
550 (610) Rate of Fire
47 Rounds
3.2 Second Reload Speed

An experimental DP-27 variant with a silencer attached.

Allies: Sten Mk.VI 50 (S) (BR 3)

5.5 (6.6) Damage
550 (630) Rate of Fire
50 Rounds
2.3 Second Reload Speed

The Sten Mk.VI was the silenced variant of the Sten Mk.V SMG. This version uses a 50 round Lanchester magazine, which was compatible with this weapon.

Axis: Gerat Potsdam Silenced (BR 1)

5.5 (6.4) Damage
550 (630) Rate of Fire
30 Rounds
2.3 Second Reload Speed

A copy of the British Sten gun, the Gerat Potsdam was an emergency weapon at the end of WW2. Some were experimentally fitted with crude silencers.

Japan: M1921A 50 Maxim Silencer (BR 5)

6.6 (8.0) Damage
900 (1040) Rate of Fire
50 Rounds
2.6 Second Reload Speed

The Japanese Navy purchased a small quantity of M1921A Thompsons, and tested them in 1930-1932. The Maxim Silencer, which was commercially available and may have also been purchased at the time, was compatible with the M1921A Thompson. Combined with a 50 round drum magazine, this could be a potential BR 5 weapon for Japanese guerrillas.

Would you like to see the Guerrilla III Squad added to the tech trees?

• Yes
• No

[Spiderkingthe10-live]

I will stand by this until the day I died, I don’t believe Silence weapons should at all be added to the TT and should only remain event, battlepass, and/or preimum weapons. Cause I have a very strong feeling that everyone is gonna use Silence guns, just like how everyone at br 5 uses jets.

[CaptainBeel]

I strongly disagree, I dont think one can say everyone will.

Indeed I got an event silenced EMP as well as a Cz 27 silenced pistol, I found both largely useless and only really used them because I felt I ought to having been lucky to get them by event. (Im F2P player).

Even then imo it wouldnt ruin the game cause silenced weapons dont offer any particular advantage.

Indeed for guerillas and saboteurs silenced weapons makes sense, its what they often used depending on the mission so I think we should at least properly consider @Slakrrrrrr 's suggestion.

I will say I do think the 1st Agas as Australians ought to have the Owen gun which was used in jungle fighting and is uniquely Australian. (Yanks never used it).

Indeed to my knowledge Australia never actually used the Ithaca shotgun and likewise within Australian commando and guerilla operations I dont recall reading of them using shotguns, prefering either silenced weapons, standard weapons (eg Thompson, Lee Enfield rifle) or knives and grenades ‘quick get in get out job’

[Ottomatic78]

I think adding guerrilla three and silenced weapons to the TT would spice things up a bit and make them more worthwhile using.

[Lingguinea]

@CaptainBeel

Even then imo it wouldnt ruin the game cause silenced weapons dont offer any particular advantage.

I have to disagree. Silenced weapons are the only weapons AI won’t react to, and if you happen to find enemy AI sitting somewhere it’s a goldmine because they won’t do anything to fight back. It’s already annoying enough when you do come across silenced squads, let alone even more widespread access.

[Ottomatic78]

With how “good” the AI is that makes little difference, also if they see you they shoot, but as you say they don’t react to the lack of shooting noise.

[Spiderkingthe10-live]

@CaptainBeel

I found both largely useless and only really used them

Well the pistol might no be good, but a silence EMP in a assaulter or guerillas hands with the right perks can be deadly

@CaptainBeel

we should at least properly consider @Slakrrrrrr 's suggestion

Well, if they add the weapons, they should only be event, battlepass, premium. Not TT. We don’t want a Silence PPSH-41 Situation all over again.
And personally, I thibk having one partisans squad is enough, two may be overboard cause we don’t want people camping the enemies greyzones.

[Slakrrrrrr]

@Slakrrrrrr

These squads would be unlocked via BR 3 SMGs. In particular, these SMGs would be otherwise BR 2 SMGs in terms of balancing, but featuring suppressors, and are exclusive to the Guerrilla class. Suppressed SMGs as a potential inclusion to the tech trees was a concern with the PPSh-41 (S) that was once planned to be a tech tree addition, but these suggested weapons offer a firepower tradeoff for their utility, and are exclusive to Guerrillas only. They would also, of course, be present for all of the tech trees.

Trust me, not everyone is going to pick a BR 2 SMG with a silencer over a BR 3 SMG. I presented them this way to make the silencer a serious tradeoff.

[Spiderkingthe10-live]

Yeah, I’m not buying it. These guns shouldn’t be added to the TT

[ArcherTheGreyFen-psn]

avid parmesan enjoyer gotta agree tt suppressors aint the move the advantage of not disturbing ai is to great supprsed guns should remain as event/prem mainly event

[Slakrrrrrr]

Well either way, the topic itself is about adding Guerrilla III to each tech tree. The suppressed weapons were simply a proposal for how they are unlocked.

The devs could always implement them via unlocking a BR 3 or 4 SMG that isn’t suppressed.

[Spiderkingthe10-live]

@Slakrrrrrr

the topic itself is about adding Guerrilla III to each tech tree

I don’t know about that. While not popular, I would like to avoid Guerrilla spam.

[Slakrrrrrr]

I doubt most people would spam them, given their specialization but lack of engineers.

If anything, I think it’s important to have multiple so people can use them for different BRs/Presets, without having to rely on buying Premium or earning Event squads.

[Ottomatic78]

I used to run guerillas a bit but then I realized that you can’t build rallys which wins games and you cant call arty which also helps win games. If anything Guerillas special skill is killing greyzone tanks which is a plus for someone like me who can’t fly very well.

[Tunisian_Megumin]

@Slakrrrrrr

A limited number of Type 100 SMGs were supposedly modified by the SNLF (Special Naval Landing Forces) for covert operations. The same may also be true for the MP 28 7.63mm (Type Be).

Since there’s no pictures of it, I think using Type 11(S) or Type 91(S) would be better. The Type 91 has a scope and a 45 round magazine, it could be a good Br 3 machine gun to counter DP-27(S).

USA and Japan - special forces machine guns

Introduction I would like to propose two “partisan” units for Japan and the United States, armed with silenced machine guns and telescopic sights. I don’t see the point in focusing on uniforms; I’d rather focus on weapons. Japanese The Type 91 is a tank modification of the Type 11. The machine gun received a shortened stock, an enlarged magazine (45 rounds) and the ability to mount an optical sight with 1.5X magnification. [bd0b9f22e7b4a41356d359317320ebba5d77591f] General view from t…

[Maraz6s]

I voted “no” because players cycling two guerrrilla squads in one match would not be good. Also, proliferation of silenced weapons wouldn’t be healthy for the game.

[Tunisian_Megumin]

To make this squad more unique, I think giving them BR 3-4 weapons that only can used by the Guerrilla squad would be a good idea.
For example, a silenced weapon that could mount a scope , here are my preference for their TT weapons.

America: Sniper Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.1 Parker-Maxim (BR 3)

Japan: Type 91(S) (BR3)

Soviet: Sniper SVT-40 BraMit (BR 4)

Germany: Sniper G43(S) (BR4)
G43 can also use the L26 Silencer according to forgotten weapons

Germany : Sniper StG44(S) (10) (BR 3)
Based on the StG44(S) , but use 10 round magazine and mount a ZF 4 scope. You can have a VSK-94 at home , it could be an interesting scout rifle to use.

[Slakrrrrrr]

What if someone wants Guerrillas set up for BR 2, 3 and 5 in their presets, and doesn’t have to change every weapon every time they want to play a different battle rating?

If someone is cycling Guerrillas because they can, that would be throwing.

[Maraz6s]

That would require a limit “max one guerrilla squad” in the layout of battle squads. But there’s still the problem of everyone running around with a silenced SMG (that now are limited to few event/premium squads). So a further limit would be “only guerrilla squads can have TT silenced SMG”. With these limits, my vote would be yes.

[Slakrrrrrr]

Unfortunately, this is putting the carriage before the horse. The problem you are describing shouldn’t be a reason to not add more tech tree Guerrilla squads, but merely a suggested precaution once they are announced.

But even so, I really doubt a lot of people would cycle a bunch of overtiered SMGs with silencers. And if they did, well, a silenced MP 40 or Sten Mk.VI would lose to a Uragan or Type 100 Late, and Guerrillas lack engineers.