USA and Japan - special forces machine guns 🤫

[_DELAVR]

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Introduction

I would like to propose two “partisan” units for Japan and the United States, armed with silenced machine guns and telescopic sights. I don’t see the point in focusing on uniforms; I’d rather focus on weapons.

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Japanese

The Type 91 is a tank modification of the Type 11. The machine gun received a shortened stock, an enlarged magazine (45 rounds) and the ability to mount an optical sight with 1.5X magnification.

General view from the right of the Type 91 machine gun with an optical sight.

General view from the left of the Type 91 machine gun with a mount for an optical sight, but without an optical sight.

Shortened stock Type 91.

Magazine increased to 45 rounds.

Comparison of the Type 11 and Type 91 machine guns, note that the Type 91 has a bipod from the Type 11.

• Caliber - 6.5 mm

• Weight of the machine gun with bipod and no ammunition - approximately 10.2 kg

• Weight of the machine gun with bipod, optical sight, and ammunition - approximately 15 kg

• Weight of the scope - 3 kg

• Magnification of the scope - 1.5X

• Field of view of the scope - 30°

• Weight of the scope mount - approximately 0.985 kg

• Overall length - 1023 mm

• Ammunition - 45 rounds

• Rate of fire - 500 rounds per minute

• Muzzle velocity - 736 m/s

Experience with machine guns in tanks revealed the negative impact of the muzzle flash and loudness on gunners, especially at night and twilight. During firing, a significant portion of the propellant gases was drawn into the confined space of armored vehicles by the airflow, negatively affecting the crews.

This problem prompted the development of silencers for the Type 11 and Type 91 machine guns, as evidenced by the large number of patent applications filed in the 1920s and 1930s.

Among the silencers, I’d like to highlight the silencer designed by Toshihei Katori. Although we don’t have a photograph of it, the patent drawings quite accurately depict its design. Furthermore, a patent application has been filed for design improvements, although I don’t see the point in reviewing it here. This confirms the seriousness of the project and suggests that the silencer was most likely “made of metal.”

Toshihei Katori’s silencer from the patent.

Toshihei Katori’s silencer, modified from a patent. The photo is for illustrative purposes only, as the later version has an unusual skin around the barrel to cool it with exhaust gases. However, it’s difficult to understand what this should look like from a single patent, and the earlier version has a simpler design that would be easier to implement in-game.

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USA

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the US Army sought a replacement for the cumbersome Maxim machine gun. In 1908–1909, trials were conducted, leading to the adoption of the Benét-Mercié machine gun—a modification of the French model chambered for the .30-06 cartridge.

American Hotchkiss M1909 with optical sight.

American Hotchkiss M1909 with an optical sight on a test bench.

American Hotchkiss M1909 in section.

• Caliber - 7.62 mm

• Overall length - 1191 mm

• Weight with bipod, without scope and sling - 12.6 kg

• Muzzle velocity - 853 m/s

• Rate of fire - 500 rounds per minute

• Ammunition - 30 rounds

• Scope weight - 1 kg

• Scope magnification - 5.2X

It was distinguished by greater portability and accuracy. Several hundred units, equipped with 5.2X optical sights, were manufactured and modernized by 1914; silencer trials were also conducted. Despite its good performance, the machine gun had serious flaws (frequent failures of the extractor and ejector), so military assessments of its effectiveness varied.

American Hotchkiss M1909 with Maxim’s silencer.

American Hotchkiss M1909 with Maxim’s silencer.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION

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[Emperor_Yoshiro]

I’m waiting for those two machine guns for a long time

[Naohmcete]

[Kriegerfaust007-live]

Keep cooking

[dextroverse]

I love how all the Japanese guns looks like Star Wars guns.

And yes all of these should be added to the game as Japan needs more everything.

[_DELAVR]

According to available information, this Type 11 modification should have a 35-round magazine, but the photo shows a 20-round maximum. I’m also not quite sure what that device is to the right of the magazine. The large store receiver well also confuses me; I have a crazy theory that the remaining rounds could have been sent separately, like on the Johnson machine gun.

[Naohmcete]

that’s possible,yes

[Emperor_Yoshiro]

@_DELAVR

I’m also not quite sure what that device is to the right of the magazine.

Its type 96 Japanese Arisaka WWII Type 96 Magazine Box when you put it on the side you can use box magazines instead of hoppers. However I dont know what type of magazine is that thing next to the device something like Type 20-round detachable box like on the type 97 but different chambered for
6.5×50mm maybe its the missing mag that Experimental Model 2 submachine gun used also since there is a 20 round mag that was used by the Japanese army but I’m waiting for
William Easterly to finally finish his book …

Manual Arisaka | PDF | Ballistics | Rifle

Its literally modification of the internal magazine of Arisaka rifles:
Manual Arisaka | PDF | Ballistics | Rifle

Same way they achieved box mags on their rifles by modifying the internal magazine. The one on your picture is probably for 6.5×50 Arisaka conversion since all look different depending on the caliber you want.

But such magazines existed on their training machine guns:

Nambu-type training light machine gun - Wikipedia

So this is probably 20 or 15 x 6.5mm box magazine however with real ammo since this gun can shoot real ammo.

[Naohmcete]

surprisingly the training nambu end in combat with modded ammo

[Emperor_Yoshiro]

I have no idea I haven’t checked was the training Nambu used in combat.

[Naohmcete]

it’s something I read a long time ago, something about a story about a “last ditch” type modification where they did something to modify it but knowing how said weapon worked, it should have broken after a few shots, I suspect it would have been to use it and try to steal a weapon from the enemy

[GiltBurrito7238-live]

I lean a little towards giving scoped MGs to Sniper

[Conscript_Joe]

Japanese one looks like a good old Star Wars gun.

I REALLY hope we get it!