What are you on about? Lol j1 has no problems against any u.s. br2 tank
if only it worked.
and coffin has 75mm gun and faster.
So its good where it is.
And chaffee does ? Nope.
J1 explosive filler works a lot more than chaffees. Nothing. 75mm gun isn’t special at br 2 majority of tanks across all nations either have a 75 or 76 at this br almost all of which have faster reloads. Mobility is a minor stat in enlisted.
Chaffee does have issues against tanks lol. Paper armor. Bad reload. Bad damage.
Well kind of, its anything between 1 and 50, usually closer to 10 - 50 when the HE filler actually does something post pen.
So in that sense, sure it “works”.
Except in GE you either choose the high velocity 50mm J1 that is quite alot easier to use against tanks due to flatter trajectory than F1.
You got the both in chaffee.
So its still fine.
Id guess its better than M8 scott.
So again, no.
The velocity makes no difference in at lol. If anything low velocity is preferable due to arcing and being more likely to properly fuse against the ground.
The armor is the exact same as the m8 Scott except the m8 Scott is smaller. So no. And the m8 Scott is KNOWN for having bad armor and does better against tanks and infantry compared to the chaffeee thanks to its rof which is double that of the Chaffee.
Well I guess theres your problem, you need to aim at the tank rather than ground.
k, use it then and less tears.
The velocity doesn’t do enough to actually change the angle. It’s maybe a one degree difference.
Wow so you admit that this tank is worse but go “huh uh can’t have m61”
Now do you have an actual argument or have you run out of feeble excuses
Im just going to guess you arent really familiar with F1.
Its quite alot more than just few degrees.
I doubt id admit anything silly as that.
Simply cant have everything burgerbob, life with it.
You haven’t actually had a single valid point. You are saying the panzer 4 f1 is bad cuz its velocity is 150m/s slower than the chaffees. Then ignore the better armor, better post pen damage, more ammo, and double reload rate.
You acknowledge that the m8 Scott is just better than the Chaffee, which would logically mean that a slight buff to the Chaffee wouldn’t effect the meta viability of America.
Yet here you are with your finger on its way from ur ass to ur nose, saying nuh uh burgerbob. You truly are a specimen
Yeah, that 75mm comes with downsides.
Kinda cant have the J1 and F1 in same packet, that would be F2 which is BR3.
Do you want a coloring book about the subject ?
Exactly where ?
want a hug ?
Are these downsides in the room with us? Could I see them?
Again. Could I see the panzer 4 f1 downsides compared to the Chaffee? Cuz all I’m seeing is 3 hp per ton increase and a better reverse
Sure, its not like they aint mentioned several times here already so il start to make a coloring book for you. Out of kindness il also try include several pages for you why you should aim at the tank rather than ground.
What size crayons you have ?
Humor me. Pls mention the upsides. Ur gonna have to do better than 150m/s better velocity
The Chaffee was dropped to BR2 when both it and the Sherman had AP. If both the Sherman and the Chaffee had APCBC, the difference that makes one BR2 and one BR3 would still exist.
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I am sorry but that one is doesnt matter at all.
Does it really?
Every faction with 75mm guns in BR 2 has to tarde off something in order to justify it beeing BR 2.
T 28:
huge target, paper armor and just 69mm of pen
T28E:
huge target and just 69mm of pen
Grant/Lee:
Casemate 75mm gun only, AP 80mm
BT 7A:
“only” 78mm of pen tbf this one is an outlier without a drawback really. Could be BR 3 and still be playable even if not great (outside of an uptier but that would be most tanks in BR 3).
Su 76:
Casemate and open top, no coax
Marder 3:
Casemate and open top, No coax, hull mg
Stug A:
Casemate, low velocity, 50mm of pen on APHE only, limited HEAT 80mm that also is used for infantry, quickly ammo starved, no coax
75mm puma:
Casemate, low velocity, 50mm of pen on APHE only, limited HEAT 80mm that also is used for infantry
75/32 M41:
No HE, no coax
P4 E:
low velocity, 50mm of pen on APHE only, HEAT 80mm
P4 F1:
low velocity, 50mm of pen on APHE only, HEAT 80mm
P3 N SG:
low velocity, 50mm of pen on APHE only, limited HEAT 80mm that also is used for infantry, somewhat ammo starved.
Ho-I:
low velocity, 43mm of pen on APHE only, HEAT 90mm, playable Hull mg
Ho-ni 1:
Casemate and open top, No coax, hull mg
M8A1:
Slow turret, AP 90mm
M8 Scott:
Slow turret, low velocity, HEAT 90mm
Alecto:
slow reload, HEAT 110mm
As for the tanks that use HEAT they often have to aim for certain spots to one shot which certainly is a downside given that it still is closer to AP than APHE in post pen performance putting you in a direct disadvantage in any tank vs tank engagements.
The ROF of a tank gun also is a stat that has decreased value in a tank duel as most might are won by who shoots first, leaving very little space for reloads to actively matter.
As for armor there really isnt a diffrence between a tank with 20mm of armor or 50mm since 90% of the time the same projectile that would be able to pen the 20mm would also be able to pen 50mm or armor.
There are only 3 tanks in the entire game with less than 50mm of pen for the allied factions so even the 50mm of front armor the germans/ japanese have isnt an issue.
So again none of the tanks above have any meaningful armor protection that will make a diffrence if hit by AT. The only exeptions are the 3N SG but that one still only has 50mm on the turret which isnt a huge deal to overcome and the T 28 variants with its troll mg turret eating the enemy shells remaining largely unharmed.
Now if you give the M24 M 61 it would have none of the downsides above exept for maybe the a bit slower reload but that one also does not matter as much in a tank duel. But in exchange you would have exelent armor pen capable of lol pening every tank until BR 4 (especially given the utter lack of armor on axis tanks until BR 4) with enough filler to also garantee a 1 shot paired with exellent mobitiy and turret traverse. Also having a pintle mounted MG is very uncommen at that BR with only the 3N SG also having one (but in 7,92mm not 12,7m).
While I understand that the M24 AP is a bit underwhelming in its performance the APHE would be way to much with tanks like the Ho-Ni 3 and chi-nu (also P4 F2 and stug 3 F if you concider the lower filler and that the increased pen is generally counteracted by better armor on the allied side) also beeing stuck at BR 3.
As for mobility I feel like you vastly underestimate just how usefull it can be even if flanking isnt a possibility. High speed can still mean beeing able to
- outrun infantry with TNT or EP
- less time wasted just traveling
- additional distance between you can bombs
- beeing less limited by slopes
- less time exposed when crossing a street in a city
- harder target on the move
Edit: given the implementation of the playable hull MG that also is more of a downside than an upside for me.
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Downsides that still exist: bad armor. Third slowest reload of the br
Also low velocity is just not a downside? It’s actually an upside in every single situation as it lets you arc ur shot and fuze better against the ground
and if armor doesnt matter pen doesnt matter so why are you listing that stat
and heat isnt consistent on majority of vheicles cuz the volume of fire means you can give the other tank plenty of damage before it can react. only exception is alecto. so not a downside