FlakPanzer IV "Wirbelwind" BR III

You also forgot to mention that they didn’t have a counterpart in WW2, and that’s how the story went.

And they are valid like the Wirbelwind

Because they didn’t need a counterpart
Us having 6 million m1 carbines
3 million m1 garands
Vs 7000 fg42s
100k g41
400k g43
The us was more than happy to shoot down krawts with semi autos while they shot back with bolt actions
That’s why , there is no need to counter a weapon you will almost never see
They also lacked an anti foo fighter weapon
Again enlisted has never been like ww2

Then there won’t be a problem fighting the FG42 with Garand.

Then there won’t be any problems seeing German prototypes at the TT, using that logic Why are there so many German prototypes That can be added But since the main Allies and Soviets don’t like this, they don’t do it.

So Wirbelwind and Kugelblitz are fine in the TT

One sure if the fg42’fights the garand in fg42’ numbers that is the allies bring 500 garands for every fg42

Yeah as long as it fits the br and can’t fly go ahead, fyi the mouse is not br5
Or the axis gets planes as good as the allies when the allies get equal tanks
So f9 is added when the 26e5:is added

I have nothing against German prototypes so long as there not over br
Add 20 Round SA to br4 so long as both allies get them
Sorry but a SF or ar does not belong in br3 unless it is severely nerfed
not does the g43 or zh29!without a nerf to reload

But yeah knock down the boards so long as it fits in the current meta of that br and is not power creep
I have no problem with adding stronger aa no missiles or over the top aa guns
Just sick of calling everything allied fake
Damn you auto correct ask before changing my stuff

The sp can beat the kh2 and Ferdinand but just about everything that can meet the sp br4’ can beat it not so with the Ferdinand and k2gh
Give them better planes just not the f9 which is better than the p47

Because it is.

The Allies have already been given their best tanks to face the German tanks, so it’s time for Germany to receive its best to fight against the Allied CAS. With the F-9, which is no better than the weak P-47, an Ar 234, etc.

The Wirbelwind and the Kugelblitz are necessary for Germany

The Allies have already been given their best tanks to face the German tanks, you are half right the pershing and super pershing are the best the allies fielded in ww2, does not make the super pershing as good as the t2h or ferdinand
br 3 and 4 axis tanks can easily pen both pershings
br 3 and 4 allied tanks cannot do the same thing to the k2h and ferdinand
so it’s time for Germany to receive its best to fight against the Allied CAS. With the F-9, which is no better than the weak P-47,
full bull**** the only thing the p47 has going for it are rockets
the f9 has a bomb twice as big and four times as good as well as bigger cannons if you think the not better than the p47 you dont need it
find another plane ‘only as good’ as the p47
an Ar 234, etc.

The Wirbelwind and the Kugelblitz are necessary for Germany

The Ar 234 was produced only in small numbers, despite plans for production of 500 per month by late 1945. This was partly due to a lack of available jet engines and other critical materials, for which the aircraft had to compete with other types, such as the Messerschmitt Me 262. Several models were proposed, with alternative engines, cockpit improvements, and adaptations for other roles, including as a night fighter. In late 1944, aerial reconnaissance missions over enemy territory commenced. The Ar 234 was almost entirely used to perform such reconnaissance missions, and it was in this capacity that it became the last Luftwaffe aircraft to overfly the United Kingdom during the war, in April 1945.[1] In its capacity as a bomber, the most prominent use of the Ar 234 was the repeated attempts to destroy the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen between 7 and 17 March 1945. Many airframes were destroyed or captured on the ground due to a lack of serviceable engines or fuel.

and you call the meteor fake

But they were received where Firefly and Achilles can penetrate Panther, Tiger 1 and 2So Germany deserves to receive the best it has in terms of aircraft.To fight the allies

The F-9 is no better than the P-47, which is faster and has eight 12-caliber machine guns, which are good for long-range air combat.The 20mm guns are good, but they can’t be used at long range, and then there’s the MK 108, which is worse in long-range combat.The F-9 will have a better bomb plus the MK 108s to compensate for the low TNT explosive of the Panzerblitz.

The AR-234 is not meant to be a counterpart to the P-47, but rather an aircraft that can efficiently drop more bombs at high speed. To return some of the spam to allied players

Specifically to destroy the Allied fighters spamming with their rockets and bombs

I’m sorry, but the Meteor is fake, unlike the AR-234, which did see combat as a bomber. Both in the Ardennes in Bastogne Where I supported the last German offensive in the Ardennes, I also saw the Battle of Remaguen Bridge,He attacked airfields in Belgium and the Netherlands,it was used as an interceptor by the RAF against British Mosquitos and bombers In its daytime variant B-2/N with its 20mm gun gondolas and They also fought in Berlin where they bombed Soviet troops.

Kampfgeschwader 76 was the squadron that witnessed these battles
KG76

They are not the same as the Fake Meteor and P-80

Ok take the super Pershing back it comes at too high of a price

unfortunately this is exactly what you are asking for because “rare”
Or are you again having little bit double standards ?

holy shit no way, really?

i have spent the last 30 mins reading this entire exchange. Time I will never get back. Ever.

for sure add this. But I’d argue at current Tiers of BR this one would fit at BR IV. I’t would be too OP against at any lower BR, mainly shredding Infantry. It’s an SPAA, it shuld kick back at the rear and shredd low flying planes. At lower BR it would be used in OP Assault role, It needs to be at high tier so there’s too much of risk bringing it forward

Not really, in low br there are already several powerful 75mm anti infantry tank with short reload. This wouldn’t be much powerful than those tanks. Not to mention its penetration is bad against tank. So it will balance it out.

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om but what about the Doolittle raid that was huge for morale when fighting vs japan

You can have it, but we must get the M16 or M19.

Absolutely, because better AA guns is exactly what murrica needs in top of completely uncontester air supremacy.

Its not like entire discussion for proper AA vehicle began from the fact that murrica has by far better planes.

The Meteor was not fake it saw combat and the F-80 Did not see combat but was deployed and flew recon missions.

intercepting V 1 / 2 ?
Thats the only “combat” ive found of it.

" the RAF was forbidden to fly the Meteor on combat missions over German-held territory for fear of an aircraft being shot down and salvaged by the Germans."

Combat is combat interception missions still count.