CHANGE: Reduce the MP 41(r)'s rate of fire from 1240 RPM to 920 RPM.
The MP 41(r) currently fires at 1240 rounds per minute upgraded (about 1080 unupgraded). This is higher as it should be, for the following reasons:
The MP 41(r) in-game is a converted early PPSh-41 with the tangent sight. The early variant of the PPSh-41 fires slower than the late-war variant (which changed in late 1941 to early 1942) due to a leather buffer being used to absorb recoil at the end of bolt travel, while the late version used a fiber or textolite buffer. This small change increased the weapon’s rate of fire from ~900 to ~1000 RPM. Thanks to @_DELAVR for the historical context!
9mm Parabellum loadings generally have less muzzle energy/powder charge/energy exerted on the bolt than a 7.62mm Tokarev cartridge, meaning the RoF on a 7.62mm Tokarev weapon converted to 9mm would lose ~10% of it’s rate of fire.
With this in mind, an early PPSh-41 should have a RoF of about 900 RPM, and when converted to 9mm parabellum, should be reduced to about 800 RPM Since the weapon is “upgraded”, we multiply that by 1.15x to have a final RoF of 920 RPM.
From a balance perspective, I think this weapon will still be very good at BR 3, if not even better than it already is. 920 upgraded RPM provided plenty of volume of fire, while stretching out the 32 round magazine for a longer duration of fire. It ends up being quite comparable to other weapons of the same battle rating.
Would you like to see this RoF change added to the MP 41(r)?
It’s just meant to push historical accuracy, and I think it will still be very fun, and possibly better to use.
Once you go past ~1000 RPM, weapons with ~30 round magazines are harder to stretch out, as you end up wasting more bullets to get kills, with such a small increase to TTK that it makes you win maybe 1 in 100 more gunfights.
With conversions to 9mm happening in 1944 when German logistic situation got (even more) abysmal, MP41(r) should use stats of late PPSH as a base. Early model is likely used ingame simply for the sake of variety.
When it comes to German TT BR3, I would instead rather see MP 35/I being changed to be closer to MP32-MP34/I configuration, with about 800(920)rpm cyclic rate.
That’s like saying the ZK-383 is similar to the PPSh-41 Box, which I wouldn’t have made this post if that were true.
I also like variety, but I would rather add something that fits the characteristics you are looking for historically, such as the Schnellfeuer Carbine (900 RPM) or V9000 (1600 RPM) with a 20 or 40 round magazine.
The MP 40 Steyr variant with the MG 42 derived recoil spring would also fit exactly what you’re looking for, if we could only confirm it was real beyond a single obscure book referencing it.
I don’t expect any model additions to Enlisted in it’s current state.
And with German TT SMG tree being already overbloated, making existing pieces relevant should take priority.
Inaccuracies are plenty in the game and unlikely to be fixed anytime soon as a whole system might collapse in some cases (just look at Thommy guns),
Plenty of weapons have had their RoF changed recently because primary source documents were provided to helpers (AVS, FG 42 I, Scotti Naval, Charlton, MP 35 and MP 35/1, Type 100 Early, Type 2, Type 100 MG to name a few). It’s a general goal that developers seem to be open to.
The Thompsons are generally where they should be already, but I’m sure there are test documents that might have differing values by ~100 RPM, since Auto Ordnance’s figures are usually pretty inaccurate.
If by miracle the mp40 mod gets added, maybe. But it likely will not… or in very low quantities (I bet 2 max).
So in the meantime, for the sake of fun, which primes over HA (devs prioritize it too), I would rather my 6 converted ppsh remain the funny hoses they are, which are extremely potent when ppl tap fire.
To those thinking it’s rof is a detriment… why is it in Soviet faction the high rof ppsh41box considered to be the best smg of br3, all factions included, even thought it cannot stretches fire long?
I don’t mind br corrections or a few tweaks like added bayonets or stuff like that… But when legacy/event weapons get nerfed for no apparent reason (not balance or fun in mind), then it will always be no, from me.
I still miss the fun 3 round burst Kurz even if it wasn’t correct.
“To those thinking it’s rof is a detriment… why is it in Soviet faction the high rof ppsh41box considered to be the best smg of br3, all factions included, even thought it cannot stretches fire long?”
To quote a previous response:
“Once you go past ~1000 RPM, weapons with ~30 round magazines are harder to stretch out, as you end up wasting more bullets to get kills, with such a small increase to TTK that it makes you win maybe 1 in 100 more gunfights.”
PPSh-41 Box fires at 1150 rounds per minute, MP 41(r) currently fires at 1240.
