From the book The World’s Submachine Guns (machine Pistols) by Thomas Nelson, one of the biggest and most well known pre-internet firearms collectors and modern gun historian.
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This is fantastic, thanks for sharing!
I only knew of the reference from Lyndon Haywood’s “The German Submachine Guns”, which was the obscure book I was referencing.
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I already made a suggestion of this MP40 variant, but it usually takes a while for devs to add new guns, even if they are just different variants. For instance, the scoped Ptrs-41 was only added 9 months after it was suggested and that was arguable very easy to implement.
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I don’t
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Well, then why do you insist on changing it?
I didn’t insist? this was a suggestion and I supported it, if it were to change, then I would love it, if it doesn’t change then I don’t lose anything
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i agree with suggestion since it will give it a better ammo management
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There’s two alternatives to that, that would leave the gun fun and untouched:
- using the br3 zk, which have a very similar rof than the nerfed version of the op
- learning to tap fire, just like when using the drum ppsh, and profit.
It’s what I do at the very least 
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that only works on mid long ranges where full auto isnt that viable
but when you oftenly enter to a room full of bots you on the majority of cases want to wipe them out as quick as possible and trust me that when you ran out of ammo while all bots are looking at you is probably the second worst feeling you can have on this game after loosing a game by literally miliseconds
lowering the TTK will make it less effective against soviet body armor so no
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I tap fire even at close range?
(Did you know that holding the fire key when shooting smgs make bots single you faster?)
It may be because I’m used to rifles and semis. I don’t panick and spray, I shoot one after the other in quick succession…
Do you remember when the Kiraly was first released in Moscow campaign? Since it was potent, devs decided to give it absurd recoil. Even at close range holding the trigger meant you’d shoot at birds.
Only way to use it reliably was to tap fire…
Maybe I just apply what I learnt to every smgs. (It’s also the right way. Short bursts win the day.)
i just knew that they tend to react faster to automatic weapon regardless if you shoot em on burst or full auto
well guess that i learned something new today
well since i didint played on moskow i cant say anything but rigth now kirally is very easy to control than before so well…
Yes, it got thankfully patched a little. Right now it’s wonderful to use.
It was a bit ridiculous back then.
To give you an idea, what axis players did in Moscow to counter ppsh41 spam, was when devs finally released the mkb42h scoped. It was a sniper only weapon, so players cycled 3 snipers squads instead of assaulters with Kiraly!
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While I enjoy it as is, if the rof is wrong it should be fixed.
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Sure, it can be changed, but why exactly? It won’t make the game more balanced but only to fullfil a selected few’s HA nitpicking.
It is also double standard by design. You can use sources to nerf rof but what about damage and accuracy? Can somebody explain why most Soviet weapon has better accuracy than other nations’ counterparts? Why does Urugan get a damage buff? You can’t disapprove these stats with sources in the same way so Russian bias can stay forever. What about scotti naval rifle mag size and rof for mg42?
What I saying is that game balance is also important, not just sources alone. Let ppl have some fun and a little bit more rof won’t hurt anyone, at least not more than all the Soviet “hidden” buff.
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So, what now, what actually was the correct rate of fire? Even a reduction to 800 RPM wouldn’t make the gun wortless at all, though I have to admit the insanely high rate of fire makes the gun unique.
How does the chamber change from 7.62 TT to 9mm effect the guns rate of fire?
An example of the MP 41(r) late firing modern ammunition.
I do explain the reasoning in the OP…
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Looking into the Styer MP40 and similar weapons.
If I’m looking at a few things correctly, there isn’t a difference in the MP40 and the Styer MP40. Styer MP40 is only called that because it was manufactured by them. Not because they did anything different to it. It’s still functioned and performed exactly how every other MP40 in history has. Funny enough. If you’re looking for more information, look up Bnz MP40. bnz was a designation that they gave for late war MP40s, namely bnz.42 and Bnz.43. That’s how I was able to find this out within about 10 seconds, I would still have to do further digging on the Bnz line to figure out if they were manufactured or performed differently. But from first glance they look to be redesignated early war weapons within the late war. Based on the numbers on those two designations I get a feeling they were trying to copy pps 42 and 43 in naming.
It may take me a little while to report back with further findings because I’m currently working, but I will definitely look into this more if not, for balancing and additions to the game for my obsession with world war II era stuff.