If P2W won’t go away, the game itself will be going away within a year.
The MP-41 has better stats than it’s direct comparison, the MP-40. That is the only requirement.
Carrying a second gun has downsides, unlike upgrading from MP40 to MP41, which has no downside.
You do know premium soldiers have double perk capacity, right? And we aren’t comparing perks. We are comparing the guns.
The MP-41 has better stats than it’s direct comparison, the MP-40. That is the only requirement.
Carrying a second gun has downsides, unlike upgrading from MP40 to MP41, which has no downside.
OK, yes, mp41 is better but when we look not just at the guns but go out of the box and see that the premium squads are pretty ballanced and nerfing mp-41 will make standard squads better than premium, got my idea?
You do know premium soldiers have double perk capacity, right?
That really doesnt change anything in the battlefield for at least experienced players that know that standard squads are more useful thanks to their diversity.
By this i ment that we cant just look at 1 aspect and ballance it while ruining the meaning of the other things.
800% DPS and 135% health is totally balanced compared to an average new player’s squad 
And the premium squad has superior DPS.
Diversity doesnt mean shit in a game where close DPS is king when contesting a capture point. If the gun was a P2W rifle like the infantry mosin, you dont notice it nearly as much as it can only be used in less important matters such as sniping, compared to the MP-41, which is used for nearly everything you can do in this game. Mid range pushes, contesting capture points, clearing buildings, you name it.
The premium squad already outperforms the normal assaulter squad in almost all aspects, except the lack of engineer, which can be offset by taking another squad that HAS the engineer, and very long range effectiveness. The mid range effectiveness of the MP-41s is good enough to directly compete with what otherwise would be G33 rifles, on normal assaulters. And oh dont forget the premium assaulter still gets nromal assaulters as well, with said G33s.
Isnt the fact that the weapon with the most kills in the game during the last year was the MP-41 enough evidence that even with all factors combined, it is still the best gun?
In theory, standard squads should have more potential, but that the current premium squads are also the current meta shows how much of a problem they can become in the future, making the meta even more of a problem than it is already.
In practice, premiums are too good because they let you SMG spam even harder than before.
Maybe the solution is replacing premium squads with premium soldiers, who take up 2 soldier slots each but go into normal squads.
That way there’s no respawning from SMG spamming to go back to SMG spamming.
It would need safeties added to the microtransaction model so you can’t buy what you can’t use, but I’ve seen that approach taken before.
800% DPS and 135% health is totally balanced compared to an average new player’s squad
And the premium squad has superior DPS.
Diversity doesnt mean shit in a game where close DPS is king when contesting a capture point. If the gun was a P2W rifle like the infantry mosin, you dont notice it nearly as much as it can only be used in less important matters such as sniping, compared to the MP-41, which is used for nearly everything you can do in this game. Mid range pushes, contesting capture points, clearing buildings, you name it.
The premium squad already outperforms the normal assaulter squad in almost all aspects, except the lack of engineer, which can be offset by taking another squad that HAS the engineer, and very long range effectiveness. The mid range effectiveness of the MP-41s is good enough to directly compete with what otherwise would be G33 rifles, on normal assaulters. And oh dont forget the premium assaulter still gets nromal assaulters as well, with said G33s.
Isnt the fact that the weapon with the most kills in the game during the last year was the MP-41 enough evidence that even with all factors combined, it is still the best gun?
You can sure put those clown emojis to make my statements a joke, but I am personally sure that perks dont change anything, I can overperform with any squad and any weapon, maybe thats the reason I dont see any difference while usual players see it. So once again, i cant agree while looking from my point of view.
I can do that too. Does not mean that the better guns are not better.
At equal skill, soldier, etc etc etc, a MP41 will outperform a MP40. That is the bottom line. As such, it is a P2W weapon. It does not matter whether you can beat them, as even the most OP gun does not make someone invincible. That is a matter of skill. You DO, whowever, have to put in MORE skill than him because he has the better gear.
The stats say it is more powerful
The statistics say it is more powerful
.>70% of players say it is more powerful
Nothing more has to be said, tbh.
Why are you so sure about that? By my experience i cant agree at all, i’ve tried all weapons, i’ve tried many tactics and so on, mp-41 is not so op that it should get nerfed. Ok, if statistics says everything then im out, you won as u wish, i just feel like talking to wall, because you cant get my point.
Have you ever looked at its stats? Honestly?
Just because ONE guy says its fine, no matter what reason, if 30+ people say it is not fine (we had a poll, you might recall?), why would we listen to the ONE guy?
Except for when we are darkflow, of course. Gives us a reason to keep the guns OP and keep the money comin in as people will buy into OP.
Furthermore, you are basing everything on subjective feelings, instead of objective facts. I could say “I feel that the PTRD is the most op gun in the game it always kills my tank in a single shot please nerf” without ANY basis (it actually underperforms a lot), and it would be just as “valid” as your claim.
If you want to make a point, at least base it on some objective fact.
There is no “point to get” if the point is not objective enough to be valid.
Ah you are finally getting it.
The problem here is, MP-41 gets compared to MP-40 while the PPK never gets compared to the PPDs. Instead, Soviets wants PPD buffed and all MPs including -41 nerfed. The request would have be much more reasonable if it was for the PPKs and MP-41s as that affects only the founder pack owners. And nerfing them instead of free weapons will help reduce the gap between stats of free weapons and premium ones, making the founder packs only a slight improvement.
If you tried shooting with the PPD now, you’ll see that it is a MP-35 with godly fire rate. I already posted a couple of images on this thread demonstrating how easy it is hit targets with PPDs. Any ask for SMG balance now should be considered the product of frustration and selfishness.
MP-41? Maybe but the rest of the weapons are as balanced as it ever has been(dubious ones like the PTRD excluded).
Doesn’t make it not P2W and does not lessen the need of it getting nerfed, however.
Because one is a very high rate of fire SMG MENT for short range, while the other is a low rate of fire SMG MENT for mid range.
As such, it makes more sense to compare the PPK with other low rate of fire, mid range SMGs like the MPs.
What kind of animal still wants another PPD buff. Once the recoil was tweaked it was absolutely fine. It doesn’t need anything more!
For lonefighters’ bots, I wrote it here:
I think there were posts about some hits still not registering so if it is still the case it should be fixed, but that is really it. PPD is a beast now.
@8383908 has got a point
Maybe they don’t look at it as we do and just want more fortifications
Maybe they don’t think of it as a way to to steal money but think of it as stuff that will look good if upgrade failures and constant snipers from lootboxes get fixed
Again, I just said MAYBE
If these issues don’t get fixed, it will be a ridiculous/ terrible idea
Founder pack shouldn’t be a slight improvement
It should consist of different weapons not obtainable by f2p players, but these weapons can never be better than regular ones, just easier to obtain for real money so it can help noobies progress easier.
You really don’t understand the term P2W
Me, a player who only spends money when he really has to (that’s why I didn’t buy the PPK squad and instead bought HLL for same money) will want a game where using regular weapons doesn’t differ from using the premium ones.
That’s why I love how PPK works, It’s not better than the PPD but it offers different tactics for use
MP-41 isn’t like PPK, it is completely broken
Devs made it broken because axis are very popular in CBT, so MP-41 delivers them a lot of cash
( for eventually nerf it, and get the money from it. war thunder approval just like newer premium tanks )
First of all - MP41 is nothing else then just a slightly improved mp 40, its not special, its not unique, its borring and not fun for experienced players. Its powerful though - no doubt. However a fully leveled PPD with drum is much more interesting and powerful weapon in right hands and its not even premium gun. PPK is just good, it could be OP if it wasnt slow type of smg.
PPD never required any boosts, but apparently it was too hard to use for all those low skilled players and ‘not much playing/cant afford’ part of community. Actually there is only one thing left that keeps me from going back from germans to soviets - MG.
PPD back in alpha was absolutely unusable at med range even by experienced players.
It needed that buff
The only problem PPD has now is bullets not registering and sound that doesn’t fit PPD’s RoF
One bullet sounds like firing 3 bullets
No idea who you talk about, but i’ve played closed alpha before CBT (from september till october/november) same region im currently playing as germans (winning 90% of games) and i had zero issues playing soviets. I had not so much of a good allies (due to eu region), having need to play against really hard teams, but PPD was the only things that actually allowed me to win very often and gain lvl 20 campaign. PPD was always and stays the main power of the allied side.
well sorry, I forgot you play 24/7