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[TheCatequil]

@110037550

…said EA Games for everything they ever touched and completely destroyed. No FKNG thanks.

Gaijin’s influence made the progression bad enough, and the game is also P2W still with MP41 so I doubt it would matter much lmao

@6555084

have much lesser rate of fire then in real life

because the “real life” fire rate is equal to the upgraded guns, which is a whole other discussion.

@6555084

50mm He rounds seems to be less effective then grenades. (just my opinion)

because it was so IRL.

@Josephs_Piano

They have the same filling weight of 170g TNT, but the grenade has a thin shell so “uses up” less of its explosive power bursting - it should be marginally better than the 50mm round .

the explosive types are different, with the grenade using a more potent explosive

@ErikaKalkbrenner

what’s make me sad, is that you have to upgrade your weapons in order to make them stronger and leave the previous weapons because they don’t have any uses after that point.

and the fact that the upgraded guns are what they use for the realistic values, with the non-upgraded guns being worse than their IRL counterparts.

@Josephs_Piano

You get the 110 - the “banner” plane is the 109 for all the aircraft, including the Ju-188

On the allied side the “banner plane” isd a P-51D, even for the P-38 and A-20, and hte P-51 you do get is a P-51C - not a D!

same with the tanks, pz3E instead of pz3N for example.

@112568823

For me, it’s a bad idea too. Using bots… What?. But I understand some people like it. No problem. No remove that mode. But eliminate the bots on lone fighters and let’s player don’t like bots, play only against real players.

if you prevent filler bots in lone fighter, you get 3v6 matches. I do not see how that would be fun
you can not force people to play the mode, and the bots are needed to fill up the teams because most people do not like playing the mode.

@50419459

What I’m trying to say is that the bots don’t add to the experience

imo they do. rn we can have 147+147=196 soldiers ingame at any given time in a maxed out match with a party on both sides.
with War Thunder’s netcode, the limit is 64 normal players in a 32v32 setup. The playercount for Enlisted was reduced to make room on the server to process the AI logic, which is much cheaper to compute than handling the inputs of a player. As a result, thanks to the addition of the AI squads, the maximum ammount of soldiers has been trippled, which allows the battle to be more chaotic and “alive”.

@50419459

I don’t want to have to rely on AI (which you can’t really make intelligent, AIs are difficult and stupid) which most of the time end up giving me away or just stand in my way most of the time.

Just adding a aggro gain speed modifier that depends on range, allowing them to respond faster at short range, and slower at long range, in addition to optimizing their pathing and cover finding, they should become pretty reliable.

@50419459

Point is, I want control over my gameplay experience. If I spend ingame money on a bad weapon upgrade then so be it, my bad. But at least i don’t have to rely on so much RNG to even get a proper gun.

RNG progression has been an issue since forever and we have been trying to get it chanced to no avail because the majority can’t agree what the “fixed” system should be like.

@50419459

If you combine that with a Rock Paper Scissor mechanic (i.e one army brings tanks, the other army brings AT), it would cancel each other out.

sounds like trying to combine 2 games into one, which rarely works.

[baterka]

Well I agree with you about M8. That was kinda stupid of me. My point was that since Puma was primarily used as scout vechicle and has wheels. So allies could get something similar and that’s M8. Also I would like to see it in game . But as I said I agree with you that it would not make any balance sense.

Also thanks for that explanation about HE rounds and results at the end of the match are quite nice

[TheCatequil]

@6555084

as scout vechicle and has wheels

gives it better on-road speed, but worse turning and off-road speed.
the M5 is pretty solid, they do not really have anything else that is like the puma other than the M8 greyhound, which would be slower off-road and have weaker armor.

[Attic_Annie]

That led to a train of thought that leaves me asking- if I put a hedgehog in the road, and a Puma ploughs into it at full speed, will it take damage?

You used to be able to kill your entire crew in war thunder by ramming into a tree at high speed, but I think that was nerfed or removed outright.

[TheCatequil]

It can damage a wheel for sure
I accidentially hit a train cart once in my Puma xd

[BrAddOk X@live]

@5762269

f you prevent filler bots in lone fighter, you get 3v6 matches. I do not see how that would be fun
you can not force people to play the mode, and the bots are needed to fill up the teams because most people do not like playing the mode.

How do you know you get 3vs6 matches? Where is that info? Only 10 people have bought the game? first, you would have to try. Don’t you think?

Also, I still don’t understand why you have to force people to play with bots. Leave the people who don’t want to play bots. You want to? Is respectable. But don’t force me. If bots are going to be the basis of all game modes, I and a lot of people will probably stop playing. This is better?. And many people will not be attracted to the idea of playing against bots. The same as a forced crossplay.

If it is true that there are few players and bots are required to play, it is logical to use them. But if the game grows, it is a good idea to let the players choose not to play with them.

[TheCatequil]

@112568823

How do you know you get 3vs6 matches? Where is that info? Only 10 people have bought the game? first, you would have to try. Don’t you think?

Well, you clearly tried the mode more than me. Tell me, how often do you get more than 10 players in a lobby of lone fighters, including both teams? Especially during more weird times, like 1AM GMT on a EU server?

@112568823

Also, I still don’t understand why you have to force people to play with bots. Leave the people who don’t want to play bots

The developers simply want to prevent matches from being empty, so they fill them up with bots.

@112568823

But if the game grows, it is a good idea to let the players choose not to play with them.

If the game is big enough to consistently fill up lobbies, there would be no need for filler bots in lone fighters.

[BrAddOk X@live]

@5762269

Well, you clearly tried the mode more than me. Tell me, how often do you get more than 10 players in a lobby of lone fighters, including both teams? Especially during more weird times, like 1AM GMT on a EU server?

I only play this mode. And no problem to find game. Never.

@5762269

The developers simply want to prevent matches from being empty, so they fill them up with bots.

@5762269

If the game is big enough to consistently fill up lobbies, there would be no need for filler bots in lone fighters.

Thus, we think the same. If it is necessary to fill in while people buy the game, it is totally logical and acceptable. So I do support the decision. But, this should be clarified, because many people can misinterpret it and have a wrong idea of the game. The bots are temporary.

Also I want to say, apart from the bots and the current crossplay, I am totally in love with the game. I play on XSX and it looks spectacular, amazing. I would like to make some suggestions later. I hope this game grows and a lot of people buy it.

[TheCatequil]

@112568823

And no problem to find game

finding a game =/= finding a game that’s completely full.

@112568823

Thus, we think the same. If it is necessary to fill in while people buy the game, it is totally logical and acceptable. So I do support the decision. But, this should be clarified, because many people can misinterpret it and have a wrong idea of the game. The bots are temporary.

The bots are here to stay for the squad mode. For lone fighters, they will probably still be around to fill up the occasional lobby as well. I just think there is no use in complaining about AI in a game where AI squadmates is one of the most distinguishing features about it.

[BrAddOk X@live]

@5762269

finding a game =/= finding a game that’s completely full.

@5762269

The bots are here to stay for the squad mode. For lone fighters, they will probably still be around to fill up the occasional lobby as well. I just think there is no use in complaining about AI in a game where AI squadmates is one of the most distinguishing features about it.

I’m not complaining about Squad mode. I neither like nor does it make sense to me that game mode with bots. But I understand that others may like it. It’s fine. But on youtube, I saw that the lone fighters mode existed and I liked it.

And if the lone fight mode is filled with bots because there are no people there yet, I see it as a good idea too. As long as it’s temporary in this mode, no problem.

[baterka]

@6555084

50mm He rounds seems to be less effective then grenades. (just my opinion)

because it was so IRL.

I made mistake about HE shells.

@6555084

have much lesser rate of fire then in real life

because the “real life” fire rate is equal to the upgraded guns, which is a whole other discussion.

Some of them have fire rate equal to upgrades but not all of them. M3 submachineguns have much lesser fire rate then in real life M3a1 for instance has in game RPM 370-410, but irl it has 450 RPM
Sources:

Shooting the M3A1 Grease Gun

Greasegun M3A1 submachine gun

M2 Hyde has in game 420-460 RPM but once again irl has 527 RPM

Sources:

America’s Forgotten SMG: The Hyde/Marlin M2

M2 Hyde

MP34(ö) in game has 360-400 RPM, irl has 500-600 RPM
Sources:

Steyr-Solothurn MP34

Japanese Contract Steyr-Solothurn S1-100 (aka MP34)

(don’t be confused for name S1-100 is japanese export version in 9mm)

MP 24 which is upgraded version of MP 18 has in game 440-480 RPM irl has 500-600 RPM
Sources:

Haenel MP28.II

https://germanwarmachine.com/weapons-technology/small-arms/mp-28

MP 18

MP 28/II

Also I too don’t get the point of having worse fire rate without upgrades than irl standard issued weapons if anything soldiers could tweak them to have smaller or bigger fire rate.

[TheCatequil]

@6555084

M3a1 for instance has in game RPM 370-410, but irl it has 450 RPM
Sources:

upgraded they get 15-20% higher rate of fire, making it 450.

[baterka]

Ok now I’m confused. What is the second stat for RPM
I thought it is upgraded version.

[TheCatequil]

No, you can see underneath that that there are upgrades, including a green +15% rate of fire.
You can upgrade the gun by disassembling spare guns for spare parts, and hoping RNG doesn’t cuck you. When it succeeds, the gun gets +1 star and gets the next upgrade.
Once the upgrade is obtained, the stat it improves will turn green.

[Attic_Annie]

now that I can finally try the new update:
cackles in 7x air-service springfield

Edit: Air-service springfield is the most OP shit, but Pumas seem virtually immune to det packs. I hit one with 2 det backs right on it and it just turned tires yellow.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

i mean, i do play lone wolf for the only reason that makes my soldier progression system a bit faster.

but that’s all. that’s the only reason why i play that.

although, i do respect the idea of having full PVP mode. it could be also fun battles in only tanks with full humans controlled crew. but we’ll have to see.

but enlisted it’s mainly about bots. as that’s the most expencive feature. and they are improving. they still need alot of work, but hey. we are beginning.

@8383908

but Pumas seem virtually immune to det packs. I hit one with 2 det backs right on it and it just turned tires yellow.

to be honest, i think explosives pack are bugged.

i once landed an explosive at 0.5 meter and it just made the engine and tracks orange of the M3/m5

[Attic_Annie]

now I just had an instance where I suicide-bombed a puma, got the explosive right under it, and it killed 1 crew member.

[CaptainMURIKA]

Yes, it would be interesting to see PC players vs new console players that just got added. I see console players in top 2-5 slots all the time. But maybe they should get aim assistant, or something? Because keyboard and mouse are just so much better. But whatever.

Otherwise, new patch is fabulous. So much content. It is too bad we will get a wipe, so I can’t make any real progress, just have fun. GG

[_31420124242011]

Explosive packs are really hit or miss
›Place one on ground next to PzIII tracks
›It explodes and kills it

›Stick one literally on top of the roadwheels in the tracks
›Detonates and kills a handful of crew

That or the times you’ll drop one next to or under one and it decides to just do absolutely nothing.

[kunkun1192]

I wanted the M1 Garland to be the initial equipment if possible. It seems odd that the US Army in 1944 would continue to use the M1903, even if it was the Battle of Wake Island. I also recommend that the BAR and Thompson and M1919 be implemented immediately.