Never in the history of Enlisted has a faction received a foreign tech tree (!) item which they never ever even saw or touched.
Sure, “Allies” get some British stuff, “Axis” get some Italian stuff (the upcoming KE-7 is concerning but at least the devs are trying to make a flimsy case with Ethiopian colonial wars or something), but WW2 USSR and China (KMT/CPC) were NOT a single/united/cooperating faction.
Once again – neither of the Chinese armies (KMT/CPC) ever fought alongside/together with/under the command of the Red Army.
I feel like this gets confused a lot with modern day Russia/China or Cold War era USSR/PRC relations.
It was nothing like that during WW2.
China basically had two armies (KMT and CPC) who were fighting against the Japanese and sometimes against each other, and USSR supported both/either of them from time to time, but they were never strategic allies of the USSR since there was a neutrality pact between USSR and Japan signed in 1941.
It goes without saying, that no Chinese formations were ever present in the Red Army on the Eastern Front during the battles of Berlin/Stalingrad/Rzhev/Moscow, and even in Manchuiria the Red Army did not fight side by side with either KMT or CPC, they were divided by vast spaces controlled by the Japanese for a decade by that time:
I would even understand if Type 88 rifle was a trophy/captured/picked up in Manchuria/Khalkhin Gol as event weapon, but definitely not tech tree.
Adding a completely foreign and random weapon like Type 88 to the Soviet tech tree will set a nasty precedent and could potentially lead to “Filipino gun for Allies, Brazilian gun for Germans, Zambian gun for Japanese” and etc. calls.
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Do not add Chinese weapons to Soviet tech tree (continued)
I wrote a whole paragraph about how Germans and Italians had joint operations at least and coordinated their command and logistics, but USSR and China never did.
Which I also mention (and oppose) if you care to read.
Germany at least captured Chechoslovakia where it was produced, at least it’s not completely unrelated like China and USSR.
I believe haynyang 88 would be much better when given to an event squad. In tech tree it is just boring 5 round bolt action that is only serving as filler. If it was in event squad it could be tied to a unique chinese unit which would make it a lot more interesting.
I really see no reason to have it in the TT tbh. At BR1 the Soviets already have 5 rifles and the Haynyang 88 isn’t that different from any of them. And at BR2 it would just get overshadowed by the Winchester and Fedorov 1912, it feels like it’ll be DOA
It’s indeed content filler. No matter how they try to word it and justify it. How many more “rare” bolt actions rifles do new players need to unlock before they actually get to the good stuff?
I’d like a Chinese event squad for the USSR with this rifle, but as you say, reality was more complicated than that as they were not a unified army at all, paired with the fact that they were fighting a civil war during WW2. Which it would only generate more controversy and further discussion.
“Germany at least captured Czechoslovakia where it was produced, at least it’s not completely unrelated like China and USSR.”
Ok well it was all exported and sold to China almost exclusively just like the KE-7, and the soviets fought the Japanese who also had plenty of captured Chinese weapons. So, USSR would have captured/liberated Chinese equipment from the Japanese, right? See how “they captured X area or fought here” doesn’t work when people fight in theaters to obtain these guns?
Let alone, removal or turning the rifle into an event squad (horrid idea for a br 1 bolt action), would mean USSR gets LITERALLY 0 content in the update that follows their own campaign. Meanwhile Germany and US, who are unrelated to the campaign, already are getting double the content added (let alone more meaningful additions). It just sounds like dogpiling one nation to not get content, but it factors differently for when literally any other nation receives said benefits.
This would require you bringing a suggestion for what they could add or swap out for this gun. Trust me, i’d take a much more unique weapon than a basic br 1 bolt addition anyday as long as it isnt another damn smg. So, what would you replace with it then?
It was suggested prior to the adding, and this is still not saying what we could replace it with in a hypothetical. Irrelevant of what devs do or dont do, what would this be feasibly replaced with? (Reply is not working so apologies if it doesnt link to posts)
