Current balance megathread

This is a summarized thread for all of the other balance-related threads, with polls for each “imbalance”. If I missed any, comment down below. If you fill in other, please mention that in the comments down below as well :slight_smile:

PLEASE NOTE sometimes the polls get bugged / have inconsistensies that I have to correct, which will lead to the reset of said poll. Check every once in a while to see whether your vote is still there :slight_smile:

Votes are anonymous and can be changed by clicking the “show vote” button after you voted. There is a nearly identical thread on the russian side run by @627636 to make sure there is no bias between Russian and German forum sides.

Gun balance

MP41 is too accurate at medium range and should get higher horizontal recoil.
[poll name=MP40s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Yes
  • Yes, but different nerf
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    PTRD deals too little damage and is much less consistent than the PzB38. It should be more like the PzB38 in performance.
    [poll name=PTRDs type=regular results=always chartType=bar groups=Enlisted_Tester]
  • Yes
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    MG13 is stronger than the ZB36 or Madsen and should receive a nerf (no suggestion to what nerf)
    [poll name=MG13s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Flamethrowers are too weak and need a buff
    [poll name=Flamethrowers type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes, give more range
  • Yes, lower chance of self burn
  • Yes, give more ammo
  • Yes, give more damage
  • Yes, increase puddle burn duration for more area control
  • Yes, two or more of the above
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Mortars are OP and should get nerfed.
    [poll name=Mortars type=regular results=always chartType=bar groups=Enlisted_Tester]
  • Yes, remove ability to get ammo from engineer
  • Yes, remove engineer from squad to make getting ammo harder
  • Yes, disable the weapon when inside spawn to prevent them from camping there
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    MG nest is OP and needs a nerf
    [poll name=MGNests type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes, increase build cost
  • Yes, increase recoil
  • Yes, give it ammo and reloads
  • Yes, animate the spare barrel change on overheat and lock the user in place while doing so
  • Yes, two or more of the above
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    German rifles should get increased damage to match that of the soviets.
    [poll name=GERifle type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • Yes, but nerf firerate in return
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Starter rifles are too weak and need a buff in damage
    [poll name=STRifle type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

Tank balance

Pz2C outperforms the current competition and should receive a slight frontal armor nerf to the early Pz2C standards.
[poll name=Pz2s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Yes
  • Yes, but different nerf
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Pz3B should be removed as it was not used historically and replaced with the Pz35/38t.
    [poll name=Pz3s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes, Pz35t
  • Yes, Pz38t
  • Yes, but other tank
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    37mm HE should be buffed and changed to the historical shell, as the current shell is outdated.
    [poll name=37HEShell type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • No, only change the shell name in the UI
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

Perks

Vitality (+35% health) perk is OP and needs to be nerfed/removed.
[poll name=vitalityPerk type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Remove it
  • Yes, nerf to <10%
  • Yes, nerf to 10-20%
  • Yes, nerf to 20-30%
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Medkit effectiveness perk is OP and needs to be nerfed/removed.
    [poll name=medkits type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Remove it
  • Yes, nerf to <50%
  • Yes, nerf to 50-100%
  • Yes, nerf to 100-200%
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Recoil reduction perks are OP and should be nerfed/removed.
    [poll name=recoilperks type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Remove them
  • Yes, nerf to <15%
  • Yes, nerf to 15-35%
  • Yes, nerf to 35-70%
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

New content

Germany should receive a Gewehr 41 sniper, as the Russians have a SVT sniper.
[poll name=G41s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Yes
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Germany should receive a shotgun (probably M30 LD) as the Soviets have a shotgun.
    [poll name=shotguns type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes, M30
  • Yes, other
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Soviets should receive the T-34 because it was used historically
    [poll name=T34s type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • Yes, but with limitations like poor sights for balance
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Pz4C and T-28 should be added as counterparts for each other, offering infantry support.
    [poll name=Pz4nT28 type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • Yes, but other Pz4/T-28 variants
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

Premium squads

Premium squads are OP and need a nerf
[poll name=Premsquad type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Remove them and replace them with a cosmetic squad
  • Yes, nerf the weapon upgrades (unupgraded MP41s/PPKs)
  • Yes, give them different weapons and give MP41/PPK as unlockable
  • Yes, nerf the perk capacity
  • Yes, nerf the perks
  • Yes, nerf the soldier ranks (unleveled/lower ranked soldiers instead of maxed rank 5s)
  • Yes, nerf the squad composition (not 7 assaulters)
  • Yes, but two or more of the above nerfs
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

Mechanics

Flinch is not fun and should be removed
[poll name=Flinching type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Yes
  • No, but reduce the effect
  • No, but remove/reduce the effect for automatic weapons only
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

Weapon upgrades should changed/be removed.
[poll name=Weaponupgrade type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Remove them
  • Yes, remove random failure chance
  • Yes, remove the RNG altoghether
  • Yes, make them sidegrades (more recoil for more firerate, etc)
  • Yes, two or more of the above
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]

It is too easy to camp from inside spawn and people from outside of spawn should have an easier time attacking players camping inside spawn, or make it harder for players to camp from inside spawn.
[poll name=CampFromSpawns type=regular results=always chartType=bar]

  • Yes
  • Yes, but only for specific squads (Tank, Mortar)
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
    Spawncamping is too easy and players inside spawn need more protection
    [poll name=Spawncamping type=regular results=always chartType=bar]
  • Yes
  • No
  • Other
    [/poll]
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you don’t lose time,

ehy?

love to see that.

EDIT: cheers for the fix.

i might also ask if current premium squads are ok, and flinch perk system.
and maybe, also planes to be complete, you know.

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Fixed~

I’d like to ask @627636 to either ask the russian community to hop into this thread, or replicate this thread over on the Russian side. Please do not remove any of the polls, if the majority of the people vote no, that is also collected data that can be used :slight_smile:

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Soviets and germans riflemans IS OP, NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF :japanese_goblin:
Soviets and germans bots IS OP, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERFFFFFFFFFF :japanese_goblin:
And soviet side is OP, see? NEEEEEEEEEEERFFFFFFFFFF :japanese_goblin:

Engineers and explosives OP, NEEEEEEEEEERFFF

Bombs IS OP , NEEEEEERFFFFFFFFFFFFFF :japanese_goblin:
Nagant revolver IS OP, NEEEEEEEEEERF :japanese_goblin:

is this supposed to be funny?

Yeah, but no

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i mean, to be honest we are trying to make a thing of this game…

i wouldn’t say don’t do that here as it’s not necessary… but you get my idea.

although, constructive comments and feedbacks would be apreciated.

@5762269 i was thinking , perhaps we should make one thread for pool, and the other for feedbacks?

i’ll make one if you need

Unfortunately i have no idea how to make a poll, furthermore i’ve found this poll a bit way too specific where it makes hard to answer yes or no due to lack of history knowledge, means suggestions had to be more neutral.

Its quite easy to vote and say based on own experience if something is good, bad, requires improve or nerf, but questions like “should we remove with X” are on the contrary very hard as you need to know that “X”, to guess how its gonna be implemented and balanced.

I took a part answering mostly yes and no where im sure, and ‘other’ where it could be either yes or no but i still somehow debatable.

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Just in CBT we no have all content, in game files locate more weapons, tanks and try rebalance game at this moment - strange (my opinion)

Capture
Click the cogwheel, build poll.
Use Enlister_Tester for the group.

Hope this helps.

I hope to make this more simplified than other threads, to keep the community from discussing. The vote results will be the king.
If the majority experience something as X, the votes will tell the truth.

As is intended :slight_smile:

Could work, but the polls aren’t going anywhere here so feedback here works too :slight_smile:

that is truee,

but at the same time, based on what we have, as it’s what the devs wanted us to test, many things are not " working " and making the whole experience a bit off.

so we are trying to correct it, in order to make a game enjoyable for the most part at least, in order to have a good enivorement, and a solid playerbase that knoes what they want.

and eventually, the company get the income needed for support more this game.

No, the cogwheel.

Not editing the image rn, sorry. Hope this gives an idea.

My bad. Thx. I’ll do it later today.

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cheers. your partecipation it’s important :smiley: .

Apes toghetter stronk comrade :heart:
Honestly if the milsim and arcade/realism communities work toghetter on this I think we can get this changed pretty darn quickly.

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Also I would like to point out, that you only mentioned MP 41 in premium squad issue. If nerfs are applied only to one side, it may only cause switching sides of asking “what´s OP around”. May I suggest, that the poll about premium squad should also include mention about PPK because of it? We can´t treat only half of the cancer and hope to succeed.

Changing a poll after 5min isnt possible, and the thread editing is bugging out. (deselecting the thread’s category, etc)

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That´s a shame, at least I wanted to point it out, if you are aware about it or its oversight.
Sadly, I don´t think many soviet mains and devs will understand it the same way and consider only axis nerfs.

It doesn’t really matter too much. It can be viewed as an example, and have the russian ones work the same way.