Browning Automatic Rifle M1918 to BR2

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Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,
Moving BAR M1918 has been requested a few times already, since moving BAR 1918 to BR2 would add a BR2 machine gun for US squads. However there are some hidden stats that make BARs significantly better at run n gun than other LMGs because they have less moving spread increase and better ADS speed, otherwise BAR1918 would be fairly comparable to MG13.

Honestly there is simply no reason to have 3 tech tree BARs, all sitting on BR3 anyway.

Stat comparison with other BR2 LMGs

Handheld Machine Guns Damage Reload Timings (s) Statcard Recoil Effective Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Alt Reload Rate of Fire Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Vertical Horizontal Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
Browning M1918 58000 RP III 13.2 11.9 830 20 2.1 2.0 660 41 15 0.9 37 14 0.33 11.0 20.0 0.3 0.0 0.65 0.1 75% 7.25 20/80
Bren Mk II 48000 RP II 13.2 11.9 760 30 2.1 2.1 530 35 20 0.9 32 18 0.31 13.0 30.0 0.4 0.0 0.3 0.1 50% 10.0 30/60
Breda Mod. 30 32000 RP II 13.2 11.9 670 20 2.7 2.1 530 33 22 0.9 30 20 0.31 14.0 35.0 0.4 0.0 0.3 0.1 50% 10.0 20/80
MG 13 34000 RP II 13.2 11.9 750 25 (+1) 2.6 2.0 660 28 20 0.9 25 18 0.32 17.0 45.0 0.8 0.0 0.25 0.1 50% 13.0 25/75
Type 11 LMG 32000 RP II 12.3 11.1 730 30 3.2 2.9 550 36 24 0.9 32 22 0.32 14.0 35.0 0.4 0.0 0.3 0.1 50% 10.2 30/90
Type 97 LMG 36000 RP II 13.2 11.9 710 20 2.4 2.0 610 43 19 0.9 39 17 0.26 13.0 30.0 0.4 0.0 0.3 0.1 45% 16.2 20/80

Nerf BAR1918´s

  • Moving spread increase while moving from 11.0 to 14.0
  • Moving spread increase hipfiring from 20.0 to 35.0
  • ADS speed from 0.65 to 0.3
    and move it to BR2.

Thank you for your time and attention!

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it will end as japan captured weapon for event because japs captured it: Japan Bar evil japan main laughing

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Mate, why?

Some have indeed suggested it and many have responded thats its a rather dumb idea. It requeres one bar to be especially bad compared to the others just to more it to BRII, whats the point?

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whats the point of having 3 weapons on the same BR when all of them perform about the same?
Moving a BAR to BR2 will make Allied MGs more diverse and give American MG gunner squads an actual American weapon instead of British MGs.

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Anything that isn’t a topfed LMG for BR 2 allies gets an upvote from me.

Not like people will use any other tech tree BAR variant other than the BAR A2 if they can help it.

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yeah, BAR A2 is by far the best in the tech tree, I guess a minor buff for A1 would be fair so its different in someway.

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So by this logic 1918 performs about the same as A2 which is BR3 so both should go down to 2 or should rightfully stay at 3.

I won’t deny that most nations lmgs are better at the tier even soviets id say but downtiering br3 weapon to 2 like m1a1 is not the solution.

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Because BAR 1918 is nerfed down to BR2
But A1 and A2 are not nerfed so they stay on BR3.

these are pretty big changes you know.

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Only major difference for me is its movement penalty being quite light; thats typically reserved in BR2 for BP machine guns.

As per suggested nerfs in other areas, sure, I think this is reasonable change.

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well, the worst case scenario is that we suggest another nerf for it.

I didnt consider that to be honest, though BAR1918 has no bipod which should be a serious downside with the suggested nerfs so that extra bit of mobility shouldnt be an issue.

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Every other BR 2 LMG has around 50% Sprint Factor.
The BARs are sitting at 75%.
The RPK is special in that it gets to be 80% for whatever reason.

Could reduce it to 60-65%. No bipod for slightly better sprinting.

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Sounds like a fair compromise tbh.

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These are completely illogical and only serve to justify your downtier

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Only if sprint factor gets reduced significantly

BARs are one of the best MGs in BR3, even if there’s 3 of them that are extremely similar

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The Allies need at least one American machine gun in BR2, and the base level BAR 1918 would be the most likely candidate. I wouldn’t be opposed to the Dev’s lowering the rate of fire to maybe 500 base and 550-570 maxed, however with a reduced ROF the recoil should be lowered as well. This would put it more in line with the Soviet RPK 1943 and the Japanese Hotchkiss as far as ROF. While were at it, put the RPK and the Hotchkiss in the tech tree, along with a new BR2 BAR, and reduce the recoil of the MG13.

I have even proposed that the Dev’s add the Jungle BAR, and this would also be a good option at BR2, however their is no reason not to have a BAR in BR2, after all it is a WW1 weapon. :yum:

The bottom line is that the Dev’s don’t listen to our requests anyway, so everything we are discussing is dead on arrival with the Dev’s. :no_good_man:

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