How dare you even suggest it being anything other than Research Tree!
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As long as not everyone else also get access to german AT.
It really is silly how Allied AT options are exclusive to only their faction but german AT is handed out like goddies to everyone else.
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Oh wow? A smaller Panzerfaust! If this gets added, we won’t have to use those clunky anti-tank weapons anymore!
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It will still be harder to use since the early pzf did not have much propelant meaning it drops very fast but no longer having to stare at your AT laucher/rifle for 6 seconds after each shoot alone would already be a massive buff to axis BR 2.
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This is too much for BR2 and not interesting for BR3 at all when already existing tech tree Panzerfaust 60 is better in every way.
Im not a fan of self advertisement, but this one would be a 10x more realistic for BR2:
While 140mm pen might be a lot for BR 2 the pzf 30 should be really close range only and almost useless vs greyzone tanks because of it.
Also given the tanks you face as axis BR 2 you do needs a bit more pen than the allies just to accieve the same results.
At the moment the M1 bazzoka even with only 80mm of pen can kinda lol pen everything it sees and only has to aim in an uptier (and then you still got almost an entire barn to hit in the turret front) and has rapid reload with flat easy to aim rockets.
Meanwhile the pzf will, while also reloaded kinda fast, will have to arc everything like alot just to hit the enemy first.
Judguing by the stats you presented I would even argue that the 44M would be more powerfull than the pzf 30 (or faustpatrone for that matter) just because of its easy of use and range advantage compared to the just raw power offered by the faust that really is hit or miss.
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penetration is strong - agree
but you need to get in 30m or less to be able to shoot. thats why it’s kinda balanced
nevertheless I also voted for your suggestion
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the real range is more than 30m, the sight is set for 30m.
The maximum range should actually be around ~120m.
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But if you want to achieve that range you really are birdwatching as you will be looking staight at the sky and not at the target you actually want to hit.
As a result your accuracy will drop massively and every hit will be a feat of its own compared to an bazzoka-like where it is kinda trivial to correctly guess the elevation needed for a shot.
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Its not that difficult, you just need fire a ranging shot first.
But how is the Panzerfaust 30 necessary than? The way you are describing the downside of the Pzf 30 makes it sounds like its just a powercreeped Granatbüsche39
Technically you can even abuse that bigger projectile drop by shooting over your cover, but 30m range means basically piat like drop. - possible to hit at long range, but you will need quite some practice to do so.
To be honest, this Panzerfaust is absolutely necessary, KV1 specifically bulling BR2 players is super nasty, and finally needs to stop.
BR2 soviets and US infantry can deal quite easily with German BR3 tanks - but not the other way around.
So could one say Panzerfaust 60 has too much pen for BR3, yet here we are.
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But you really cannot control that, can you?
For history, the remaining Panzerfausts MUST BE ADDED
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This only applies when looking at BR1 and BR2 anti tank weapons - BR3 and BR4 launchers have much more pen than they need.
An argument could be made that lower BR AT weapons could get buffed in general - especially BR1.
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Disagree - sources speaking about effective range on 30m. That’s why it’s called Faustpatrone 30 and not Faustpatrone 120 
No 1:
Nevington War Museum
No 2:
805th parachute infantry regiment - first sentence of the old document
No 3:
https://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H077282.html
No 4:
No. 5:
Lexikon of the german “Wehrmacht”
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/panzerbekampfungsmittel-R.htm
But like I said: I also voted for your suggestion. Maybe Gaijin will add them somehow - time will tell.
I actually meant in game range actually, but thanks for pointing out the historical range.
In game you can easily cheese the range of AT launchers since the projectile works predictably and you have fast reload too.
Two luxuries Panzerfaust in reality did not have.
Well its called Panzerfaust 60 - yet when using your thumb instead of your sights to shoot at tanks, you can take out BR5 tanks at 100 - 200 meters distance.
Thats what he means, it would not be practical to use it above 30 meters distance - but it would technically still be possible, and with enough practice even reliable.
Aaaaah, that what you meant - copy that
But I guess / hope that DEVs could change / adjust the mechanics
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First of all, what the f this AI slop. Please stop stupid AI slop.
Secondly, 140mm of pen is too much for br2.
Allies’ m1&piat and japanese type 4 has 80mm of pen
only type 5 and grb has slight higher pen but they have their own drawback
And now panzerfaust 30 with ~140mm of pen, it’s way above the norm, even if it has shorter range