it’s an all out war on bots.
( we do still need an actual dedicated playlist or something only against them even more . i’m just saying ).
they have data on actual players and their loadouts. if they apply BR on their loadouts they can simulate MM algorithms and progress in queues across day.
you derailed my comment 
well if battle occurs where is 90% of bots then its incredibly boring battle , wouldnt be if bots were more capable
anyway if BR matchmaker will take too long , people wil fight without it, also with too much bots
so bots capability must improve and its only a matter of time
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Personally I have a ton of non historical squads, but I don’t want to play as IS-2 in moscow.
How do you calculate this? You don’t.
Not to mention that most people will gravitate towards more meta stuff.
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yes, but actually, no.
the point is, majority of the people uses autos because are much more convenient for the grind. but just because everyone uses them, doesn’t mean 100% of the people loves it.
if provided a choice in difference, some might actually consider and actually move away from meta and stuff.
not many people enjoys ruinning around with only BAs and very few auto. when majority of the people that you face does the opposite.
at least, we’re very few that still use non meta loadouts.
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i agree, but that is how enlisted is. you can only control 1 soldier out 5-9 soldiers and then you also have bot teammates (whether AI or human 
). so overall 80-90% of soldiers on battlefield are bots.
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sure i meant 90% of bots in battle scoreboard out of 10 
if you have 12 players and each one with his own bots then the game looks quite different right ? 
and that is why i see equipment based MM in positive light. it will bring out non meta builds where people can enjoy all weapons and not only meta AR and SMG.
i will wait for Q&A for devs to actually clear some things. maybe historical battles will be possible in peak hours and you will get arcade battle in off peak hours. one helper has said (from his understanding) that game will prioritize campaign from where you have your weapons from. so maybe we wont see is-2 in moscow. but also it could be fun to have some variety in arcade… like pz2 in normandy or is-2 in moscow.
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welll… as much i’m neutral about this,
still won’t do much good for those that are all for historical accuracy.
i am an advocate, but i don’t mind either the mixed battles as it would bring something ( and sometimes ) unique and interesting.
we are more or less on the same idea.
but historical events won’t be enough.
because again, those are just events.
not something that it’s still there for everyone. which as the seasonal events bring some issues regarding time zone for some people which wont make them able to play.
so, i dont see why we cannot at least start with events, and then get a historical matchmaker.
it’s not like this would bring a huge split in the playerbase to be worse than this current in place campaign system.
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i mean historical MM may be possible in peak hours (like from 18:00-22:00 hours). problem with MM is that more criteria you give it, longer it takes to populate the queue with human players. if you want PVE, you can have all historical accuracy you want, but if you want to have human players it will take much longer to populate. if there was 50k concurrent players they could easily make historical MM.
Id like to see some actual data behind this since its usually the same 5 guys making the HiStorICal aCCurAte topics.
Yeah, masterfully advancing with prone and shitty aim rarely works on those braindead games.
I guess its just not for all.
I do not want to reply to the previous post because it might cause unnecessary conflict. I want to keep the forum to have a friendly and polite atmosphere.
One number shows how big is the fraction of players who want to keep historical accuracy is number of likes on the third post under https://forum.enlisted.net/t/about-the-new-progression-and-matchmaking/96572, it is usually close or more than likes for the main post from Keofox.
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and that means absolutely nothing. forum players are in minority overall and they usually represent most hardcore element of the players. so for every 1 player that is on forum, there is 50 or 100 players that are not. and many of them are also history nerds.
i mean i also like historical accuracy, but if it a choice between equipment based MM that can bring some actual balance in game and historical accuracy, then i am all for equipment based MM. problem stems that there is simply not enough players in queue for MM at any given momet to enable you to play against human opponents in reasonable time if MM needs to have criteria for equipment based MM and historically accurate equipment. and solution for that problem is simple… get more concurrent players in game. when you reach critical mass, there will be possibility of having historically accurate MM.
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I’m totally sure historical/arcade options queue wouldn’t at all be detrimental to the idea behind removing campaign queues in the first place. Would you like to discuss how to make end-tier equipment harder to acquire next?
This is the same idea with me, historical accuracy should not be deleted but it can act as a minor and flexible constraint on the basic rating based matchmaking, so when a player in “historical accurate” queue is waiting for too long, it automatically fall into the “historical flexible” queue.
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I don’t see why we have to chose between ballanced mm and historical accuracy. Why not both?
If you are afraid about too long queue times, currently they are like 10-20s. Making players wait 40s instead is not a big deal (unless sombody had ADHD).
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this isnt exactly a game id enjoy to play with full rifle squad.
So no no for such.
Id happily wait even 2-3mins even in current game to get one somewhat balanced game with “equal” players in each side.
just because you don’t play with those, doesn’t mean others are gonna do the same.
so, yes pretty much please.
i don’t see why we can’t have a MM for those who wants historical battles with right equipment etc.
why do you care if you are not interested in the historical matches anyway?
just as much others would be happy regarding a separated less arcady match maker system.
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So you would use arcade MM. Problem solved. Everybody is happy.
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