What will be the br 5 gear of japan?

Really, i have no idea how to make japan playable at br 5
Devs couldnt even filled br 4

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Some mythical paper experimental bs taken from nowhere.
Obviously, isn’t?


Their current gear is in an awkward position where they have SMGs worthy of being BR 5 but are placed in BR 4 because they don’t have a BR 5. Then almost every rifle they have could be dropped down a ranking but are where they are to fill out the tiers. I’d probably prefer the Type 5 AT launcher to any AT weapon that the US has, and it’s down in BR 2.

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Ya and it’s a bit over the top in BR 2 imo.

I think some weapons will be enough for Rank V.

Field-modification of Type 98 swivel machine gun / 九八式旋回機関銃

Licensed model of MG15 for bomber’s flexible mount.
Model Ko (A) used 7.9mm Mauser / Type 1 cartridge, and Model Otsu (B) used 7.7mm Type 89 cartridge but I don’t know which model it is.

  • Caliber: 7.92 mm or 7.7 mm
  • Magazine: 75 rounds saddle magazine
  • Rate of fire: 1,000 rounds/min
  • Weight: 7.2 kg

Field-modification of Type 97 7.7mm fixed machine gun / 九七式七粍七固定機銃

LMG-modification of Type 97 7.7mm fixed machine gun. (wing/nose fixed machine gun for naval aircraft).
It can use belt-feeding, and have high rate of fire because it is aircraft machine gun.
It was improved model of licensed Vickers E machine gun.

  • Caliber: 7.7mm
  • Rate of fire: 950 rounds/min
  • Weight: 11.5 kg

Experimental Type 3 light machine gun / 試製三式軽機関銃

The last light machine gun of the Japanese army based upon three Experimental Type 1 LMGs.
It using feed strip and visibility will be improved. Also, feed strips can be connected so if system allows it may be able to shoot continuously like a belt feeding.

  • Caliber: 7.7 mm
  • Magazine: 30 round feed strip
  • Fire rate: 500~600 rounds/min? (guess)

Experimental Ultra-Light machine gun Model I / 試製超軽機関銃I型

Very light-weight machine gun seems to be based upon Type Hei rifle in 1938.

  • Caliber: 6.5 mm
  • Magazine: 20 rounds
  • Rate of fire: 750 rounds/min
  • Weight: 5.6 kg

Experimental Ultra-Light machine gun Model II / 試製超軽機関銃II型

Weight is reduced.

  • Caliber: 6.5 mm
  • Magazine: 20 rounds
  • Rate of fire: 750 rounds/min
  • Weight: 5.4 kg

Also, they does not much with Rank V but they will be interesting:

Experimental Model 3 machine pistole / 試製三型機関短銃

Prototype of Type 100 machine pistol.
It have extremally long bayonet lug and total length was 1,100mm! (Type 99 short rifle is 1,118mm)
When equip 30th Year Type bayonet, total length is 1,490mm!! It will be longer than some rifles.

  • Caliber: 8mm
  • Magazine: 30 rounds
  • Rate of fire: 700-800 rounds/min

Type 91 vehicle-mount light machine gun / 九一式車載軽機関銃

Tank machine gun based upon Type 11 (11th Year Type) LMG,
Hopper capacity increased to 45 rounds!
Also, it is possible to change hopper instead of insert clips.

  • Caliber: 6.5mm
  • Magazine: 45-rounds hopper (9 clips)
  • Rate of fire: 500 rounds/min

Experimental Mark Ko Light-Weight Machine Gun / 試製甲号軽量機関銃

Japanese early prototype of LMG with pan magazine!

  • Caliber: 6.5mm
  • Magazine: ?
  • Weight: 8.5 kg
  • Rate of fire: 500 rounds/min

Type 92 7.7mm machine gun

Japanese Lewis gun used by the navy. It use tripod so perhaps it does not match for game.

  • Caliber: 7.7 mm
  • Magazine: 47/97 rounds
  • Rate of fire: 500-600 rounds/min

Type 38 short rifle with Type 96 LMG’s magazine

Japanese last-ditch weapon with large 30rounds magazine for Type 38 short rifle.

  • Caliber: 6.5mm
  • Magazine: 30 rounds

Might be low but they do face armored tanks quickly that need lots of pen and their tanks suck at dealing with armored tanks while still sturgling to survive themselfs.
Andat the moment even then you never get higher pen than 100mm.

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Once again I’ll link to this post I made a while ago, only covers small arms tho.

Rate of fire depends on which Model 3

Model 3 → 530rpm
Model 3A → 755rpm
Model 3B → 755rpm

The one you posted is just Model 3
Model 3A and Model 3B look like this:

Page 389/385 “Introduction to Rifles, Handguns, and Machine Guns: A Thorough Study of Japanese Small Arms”(小銃・拳銃・機関銃入門―日本の小火器徹底研究) by Sayama Jiro(佐山二郞) images taken by myself.

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During the Battle of Okinawa, the Japanese army called on civilians and wounded and sick soldiers to fight to the fullest, arming them with hunting rifles, old military guns, and bamboo spears confiscated from the civilian population.
Considering the historical background, the following equipment may be added to the BR5 firearm:

Type 18 Murata

This gun is a bolt-action gun developed in 1885 (Meiji 18) with slight improvements based on the “Type 13 Murata Infantry Gun” which became a Japanese Army standard in 1880 (Meiji 13). It is a type rifle. It was named after Tsuneyoshi Murata, a samurai of the Satsuma domain and a major general in the army.

Type 22 Murata

This gun is Japan’s first domestically produced repeating gun, which was adopted by the Japanese Army in 1889 (Meiji 22), and its official name is the “Imperial Japan Murata Series Rifle Established in 1889”.
The designer, Tsuneyoshi Murata, was a Japanese Army officer who completed the first domestically produced rifle, and designed this gun after the 13th Model Murata Rifle'' and the 18th Model Murata Rifle.‘’ Did.
This gun is based on the Austrian military gun ``Klopacek infantry gun’’ and uses a tube type magazine, which was popular in various countries at the time.

Colt M1855 revolving rifle (.52 caliber model)

This gun is a model produced as a variant of the “Colt M1855 Revolving Rifle”. It is said that it was specially made by Colt with the intention of exporting it to Japan from the beginning.
The barrel is a 0.52 inch smooth bore, which is not found in the general Colt M1855 revolving rifle lineup. A smooth bore is a type of gun that does not have spiral grooves carved into the inside of the barrel. The reason for the 0.52-inch barrel is said to be to share ammunition with the Sharps rifle that was popular in Japan at the same time.
The barrel length is approximately 24 inches (approximately 60.9 cm), and the forend (the front end of the stock that supports the barrel) extends to the muzzle. The cylinder (rotating magazine) is a large type with a capacity of 5 rounds, and is the same type as the ``0.56 inch caliber’’ model, which began full-scale production after 1858 (Ansei 5). The attached ramrod (stick for maintaining the gun barrel) is extendable and made of black resin, presumably made of gutta verka (a type of natural rubber).

The "茨’’ stamp on the barrel is thought to have been engraved during the Meiji period, when all guns in private collections were surveyed. This gun is said to have been owned by a wealthy merchant in Mito (present-day Mito City, Ibaraki Prefecture).

Smith & Wesson Model No.2 Army
When the mail delivery business first started in Japan at the end of the 19th century, delivery workers were issued with this handgun for self-defense.
The Smith & Wesson Model No.2 Army is a famous Western gun imported to Japan, and is also known as the favorite gun of Ryoma Sakamoto, a famous samurai of the late Edo period.

Tube type gun Ichinoseki Muneaki

This is an old gun with a percussion lock.
These guns were used during the Edo period, and there may have been some local governments that still had these guns at the time of the war.

Japanese spencer cavalry rifle

This gun was designed by Christopher Spencer in 1860 and is a lever action rifle with a tube magazine.
In Japan in the 19th century, many such guns were produced under license.

Japanese-made Snider-Enfield paper cartridge breech-loading rifle

This gun is a rifle produced in Japan at the end of the Edo period, modeled after the mechanism of a small gun called the "Snydle-Enfield.‘’
The Snider gun was developed by the British military factory “Royal Small Arms Factory Enfield” (1804-1988). This gun was modified from the Enfield gun (muzzle loading type), which had previously been loaded from the muzzle, and now had a structure (breech loading type) in which shells and charge were loaded from the rear of the barrel, making loading easier. It quickly became popular.
However, the Snider gun had some drawbacks, such as accidental firing or failure if the gun was not completely sealed. Therefore, they devised a way to reduce the chance of explosion by using a boxer-type paper cartridge to prevent the combustion gas from leaking out.
In addition, the breech-loading type gun is called a "breech block’’ gun because the opening and closing of the breech block (also known as a breech block) resembles a "rounou’’ container for chopped tobacco. It was also called.

Simple formula rifle
It is a single-shot, simple rifle that was urgently developed in preparation for a decisive battle on the mainland, and uses a 7.7mm caliber Type 99 rifle cartridge.
Since this “Simple formula rifle” is deployed only to army units and not to citizens, the ammunition used is “Type 99 rifle cartridges.” The operating method is the same bolt action as conventional military rifles, and ammunition is loaded and fired one shot at a time.

The specific units to which this rifle will be deployed are mainly the target units of the "Third Armaments’’ ("Restraint Division’’ - commonly known as the "Haritske Division’'), which target coastal defense in the event of a decisive battle on the mainland; Deployment was scheduled to be completed to defense forces in the Kanto region between September and November 1945, and to defense forces in the Kanto region between February and April 1945.

National simple rifle (carbine type)
Unlike the above-mentioned "improvised rifles’‘, this is a single-shot rifle created entirely for the purpose of being distributed to the public, and uses military-style "handgun cartridges’’ with 8mm caliber ammunition.
In actual deployment, it seems that emphasis was placed on the "Special District Guard’’ (commonly known as the "Local Police’‘), which was organized around ``Registered Soldiers,’’ rather than the "National Volunteer Combat Corps.‘’

National simple rifle (rifle type)
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It is a single-shot matchlock gun intended for decisive battles on the mainland, and the firing is done with a "matchlock’’ or ``simple detonator (using the detonator of a hunting rifle or handgun), and there is no rifling on the barrel.
The ammunition used is "black powder,‘’ which is a propellant, and the bullets are created as appropriate to fit the caliber of the gun barrel when deployed.
The design was carried out by the Army’s First Technical Research Institute in late 1945, but the actual production was outsourced to local factories.

Yasukuni Sword
The Yasukuni sword is a sword produced primarily for the military.
In 1933 (Showa 8), the Japanese Sword Training Association was established for the purpose of maintaining military swords for military and naval officers.
Sadao Araki, the Minister of War at the time, served as an advisor, and Heisuke Yanagawa, Vice-Minister of the Army, served as the chairman, making it a national effort as an army-based organization.
The training center is located in the precincts of Yasukuni Shrine (official name: Yasukuni Shrine) in Chiyoda Ward, Tokyo.
In fact, Yasukuni Shrine has had a deep connection with Japanese swords since the Meiji era, when it was still known as Tokyo Shokonsha, but it declined in 1876 when the Sword Abolition Ordinance was promulgated. Activities to protect Japanese swords were carried out.
For example, in 1886 (Meiji 19), "Miyamoto Kanenori’’ and ``Hiki Kanetsugu’‘, who were famous as master craftsmen of the Meiji and Taisho periods, built a shrine in this area. It has been revealed that he was involved in the production of imperial swords. In addition, swords were exhibited at the Yasukuni Shrine Yushukan within the shrine grounds, and lectures and appraisals were occasionally held.
The Japanese Sword Forging Association established a forge at Yasukuni Shrine, and all of the swords they produced received extremely high praise. The material used is tamahagane produced at Yasukuni Tatara (Hitachi Metals Yasugi Steel Works) in Izumo (present-day Shimane Prefecture). The swords are trained by renowned swordsmiths from all over the country. Because of its high quality, which set it apart from other swords, the Japanese swords made here came to be called Yasukuni swords, and the swordsmiths who worked there came to be called "Yasukuni swordsmiths.’’
We mainly produced regular military swords and imperial swords given to outstanding graduates of the Army and Navy War College. Although the Japanese Sword Training Association was disbanded with the end of the Pacific War, approximately 8,100 swords were produced during its 10 years of activity. It is said that each swordsmith (including the two swordsmiths) produced about 20 swords per month. However, as mentioned above, the Imperial Army was deeply involved in its establishment, so the military swords that were made were mostly held by members of the army.

bamboo spear
A spear made from cut bamboo.
It is a classic Japanese weapon that has been used since the Middle Ages, and was used by citizens in armed uprisings in the past, or used as a weapon by neighboring farmers to kill samurai who were defeated and defeated in war and steal their money and goods.
Bamboo is a useful material and has long been used in Japan for water bottles and lunch boxes.

In Japan, which was at a loss during World War II, the mass media and citizen groups that followed the military regime encouraged ordinary citizens to act as paramilitary personnel. Due to loyalty and peer pressure, citizens were forced to participate in combat drills, the weapons of which were bamboo spears.
In Japan, there is an anecdote that citizens of this era ``trained with bamboo spears to shoot down B-29s flying into Japan,‘’ but this is a lie.
In reality, they were training with such weapons to kill the B-29 pilot who was shot down over Japan and parachuted out, as well as the American ground forces that would eventually land in Japan.
Well, it can be said that training to kill an opponent armed with a gun with a bamboo spear was truly reckless.

Type Ko long
It is a toggle action semi-automatic rifle called Pitasen style in Japan. It was developed in Japan in the 1930s.
There are Long type and Short type, and it seems that Short type will appear in the game as equipment for Premier Squad, but Long type has not appeared yet. It will be able to appear in the BR4-5 tree.

Shisei light machinegun (prototype ultra-light machine gun)
A prototype weapon that is a light machine gun made from the Type Ko.
Could potentially be used as an assault rifle on the BR5

Unfinished rocket fighter


Unfinished fighter interceptor

This is a Japanese military powered suit.
It was designed for the purpose of having a soldier made superhuman through drugs and brainwashing put on an armor suit, fire a cannon at a B-29, board the aircraft, infiltrate a base in Hawaii or Guam, kill as many American soldiers as possible, and then blow himself up.
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Of course it’s a fictitious existence.

So, there are very few Japanese firearms left that have not yet appeared in the game that can be used against the BR5 in the US.
All they have are crude improvised weapons and outdated weapons, although if the game goes more into fantasy it might be possible to introduce unfinished prototypes or fictional weapons.
If the BR5 is implemented, the Japanese will fight with their souls rather than bullets. BANZAI!

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i mean we are already getting Ho Ri in the future which is apparently a non existence tank so sure but if jap get armor then italian get that armor from bf1

there are probably more experimental stuff we can get in game now since we dont do campaign system anymore

Devs dont know either lol

I have same book but just I mixed up lol
hopefully I want to see Model 3 Ko with extremally long bayonet mount and better (for game player) rate of fire

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You forgot to mention the bayonet spear xd


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That girl in the middle looks like shes seen some shit…

I find interesting gun in Twitter.

A ground battle modification of “Experimental single-barrel swivel machine gun Model 2”, aka “Te-4”!
It had mild rate of fire (730 rounds/min) but it have large 69-rounds pan magazine.

*note: Australian War Memorial’s original webpage says its “Type 89 aircraft machine gun”, but it seems Te-4.

Te-4 is basis on left gun of Type 89 swivel machine gun, so it looks like cut in half Type 89 swivel.


There’s also a ground modification of Te-4 in the Beijing military museum, mentioned it as well in my previous post regarding future suggestions Japan Small Arms Balancing Discussion Thread - #66 by Killerwolf1024


It would be an uninteresting opinion, but we can also offer already implemented US and British weapons to the Japanese military as captured goods.
A magazine published in Japan in June 1942 introduced Thompson submachine guns and other items as captured from the “enemy”.

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I have found this page that claims that some have been modified for ground use.

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Nice selection of toys here but we really should not be using old post and if you would like to use an old post just make a new post with a link coming back to this one and talk on a new one

I can’t find your forum mod badge today, weird.