Updated Japan tree suggestions topic

I have already done a topic about Japan suggestions a few months ago, and I thought that it would be better to make a completely new topic about this subject with the amount of content to add, so here it is. Thanks to Life_burns GasMasters aizenns Willcario DELAVR Slakrrrrrr Kriegerfaust007 SzepWaxweiler Killerwolf1024
for their work, because I could not have found all of these weapons without their work too. I might have forgotten some people, apologies in advance if you have been forgotten.
This topic will be a bit different than the previous one I made about Japan, because I will try to focus on firearms to begin with, and maybe I will do vehicles, tanks, planes after that.
I will do a post for each weapons class, and maybe I will update them later. These types of posts are long to make for me, so not everything will be posted at the same time.

Here are other interesting topics about the same subject, I encourage you to go see them, because I think it would be pointless to just copy paste their suggestions here while other topics describe these weapons better than me (and it will save me some time too! :sweat_smile:)

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Pistols and Revolvers

Type 26 revolver (9x22mm)
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Kuwabara revolver (32 S&W)
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Hino Komuro pistol (different calibers: 32 ACP, 8x22mm Nambu, 5mm, 6.35mm)
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Nambu 1902 (Type A) « Grandpa Nambu » (8x22mm Nambu)
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Nambu 1902 modified « Papa Nambu » (8x22mm Nambu)
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Nambu Type B « Baby Nambu » (7x20mm Nambu)
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Inagaki pistol (32 ACP, 8x22mm Nambu)
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Sugiura pistol (32 ACP, 25 ACP)
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Nambu 15-shot Type A Experimental (8x22mm Nambu)
Extremely Rare Documented Serial Number 3 Japanese "16 Shot" Prototype Semi-Automatic Nambu PistolThis is an exceptionally rare example of a Japanese "16 Shot" prototype Nambu pistol. These were a very limited design with only a few ever recorded or...

North China Type 19(8x22mm Nambu)
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Nambu Type 14 (early)
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Nambu Type 14 (late), because the one in game is the transitional version
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The one we have ingame for comparison:
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Bolt action/semi-automatic rifles

Murata Type 22 (early production) (the rifle we have ingame with the battlepass is the late production version, so we can still have the early production version, 8mm, tubular mag of 8 rounds)
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This is the early version
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This is the late version that we have ingame
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Pic of the rifle ingame
Bayonets for these rifles
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The first version is the one with the small hilt, while the second version is the one with the longer hilt, so the first version could be fitted to the early Type 22 rifle, while the second version could be fitted to the late Type 22 rifle

Murata Type 22 cavalry carbine (often called Type 27 Murata carbine) (a shortened version for cavalry, 8mm, tubular mag of 5 rounds, and it did NOT have a bayonet)
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Murata RIFLE AND CARBINE prototypes with experimental magazine loaded via stripper clips (very likely 8mm)
Here are the blueprints:
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Here are pics of the rifle:




And here are pics of the carbine:

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Arisaka Type 30 rifle (the very first Arisaka, 5 round mag, 6.5mm)

Arisaka Type 30 carbine (5 round mag, 6.5mm)



Arisaka Type 35 Navy rifle (rifle for the IJN, 5 round mag, 6.5mm)

Arisaka Type 38 short rifle (same principle as the Type 99 short rifle, could be a good replacement for the starting rifle, because it was issued to second line troops, like artillery crews for example, 6.5mm)



Here, you can clearly see the differences between the Type 38 rifle, short rifle and carbine:
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Arisaka Type 38 short rifle with Type 96 LMG magazine (likely a last-ditch weapon, not much informations about it, obviously 30 round mag, 6.5mm)


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TERA Type 1 (Arisaka Type 38 carbine with folding stock for paratroopers, 6.5mm)
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TERA Type 2 (paratrooper rifle in 7.7mm, similar to the TERA Type 100 ingame)
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Arisaka Type 44 (already in the game as a tank decoration, 6.5mm)
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Type Ko rifle (I could find at least 5 variants different from the one we have ingame)
Note: the different names of the variants are not official, I just write them so you can differentiate them from one another, only the name “Type Ko” is official.
Type Ko first prototype (be aware that all the Type Ko rifles are prototypes, this one is just the first made)
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Type Ko long



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Type Ko short number 1
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Type Ko short number 2
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Type Ko short number 3 (this rifle is the one we have in game)

Type Ko carbine for cavalry

Size comparison of the “long”, “short number 1”, and “carbine” versions

Type Otsu rifle (the version in game is the “long” version, but there is still a “short” version)
Type Otsu long (this rifle is the one we have in game)


Type Otsu short



Note: these rifles were tested with 5 and 10 round mags, I can’t find a picture of the 10 round mag, but I think we can safely assume that they would have been very similar to a ZH-29 10 round mag, probably just an extended version of the 5 round Type Otsu mag, and these 10 round mags would very likely have been interchangeable between the “long” and “short” versions of the Type Otsu, because it is just the lengths of the rifles that change, the systems are the same.

Type Hei rifle (I could find at least 4 variants different from the one we have ingame)
Type Hei first prototype (be aware that all the Type Hei rifles are prototypes, this one is just the first made)


Second picture on this book page
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Type Hei early with 5 round mag (we have this rifle in game)
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Type Hei early with 10 round mag (we have this rifle in game)
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Type Hei late short with 5 round mag

Type Hei late short with 10 round mag (we have this rifle in game)

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Type Hei late long with 5 round mag
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Type Hei late long with 10 round mag
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Kokura Arsenal rifle (fixed mag of 5 rounds, chambered in 7.7mm)
Kokura Arsenal rifle long
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Kokura Arsenal rifle short
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Hino Komuro M1897 (fixed mag of 5 rounds, likely chambered in 6.5mm)
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Hino Komuro M1904 rifle (detachable 10 and 15 round mags, likely chambered in 6.5mm)



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Submachine guns

Tokyo Arsenal 1927 with 18 rounds mag
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Rename the foreign SMGs with their japanese names : the S1-100 as the Type Su, and the SIG 1920 as the Type Be (the one with the bayonet lug), and give them (Type Su and Be) a 7.63x25mm caliber, because the japanese never bought these in 7.65x21mm. This way, you can differentiate the Type Be from the MP28 in 7.65x21mm, which should be renamed SIG Bergmann, and was likely captured from the chinese, just like the KE7 in game.

Type 2 early with 50 round mag, and Type 2 late with 30 round mag (basically just swapping the mags of the SMGs ingame)


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Rocket launchers/antitank rifles and rifle grenades/grenade launchers

Type 4 experimental 9cm rocket launcher
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Type 97 AT rifle with Ji-Te Dan
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Type 91 rifle grenade launcher
Type 3 rifle grenade launcher
Note: very few informations about these two spigot type grenade launchers


Type 3 rifle grenade launcher (very likely when we compare with the illustration, it has a collar that the other grenade launcher hasn’t)
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Type 91 rifle grenade launcher (as you can see, there is no collar on this one)
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Grenades for the launchers:
Note: I could not copy paste the pictures of the website where the links lead, it seems the website forbids that, so you’ll have to go see yourself there :slight_smile:
Type 91 Hand, Mortar, or Rifle Grenade (regular frag grenade)
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_4/Chap03/Section02/FIG_169.HTM
Model 3 Modification 1 Rifle Grenade (regular frag grenade)
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_4/Chap03/Section02/FIG_183.HTM
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Small Incendiary Rifle Grenade (white phosphorus grenade)
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_4/Chap03/Section02/FIG_185.HTM
Smoke Rifle Grenade (smoke grenade)
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_4/Chap03/Section02/FIG_184.HTM

Other grenade for the Type 2 rifle grenade launcher already ingame:
30 mm Hollow Charge Rifle Grenade (the one we have ingame is the 40mm one)
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_4/Chap03/Section02/FIG_182.HTM

Experimental 13.2 mm AT rifle
Note: I only found a “picture” of this one on a japanese 3D model site, I don’t know if it is legit or not.


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Mortars

Type 10 50mm knee mortar
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Type 98 50mm mortar
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Type 11 70mm mortar
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Type 97 81mm mortar
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Type 99 81mm mortar
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Type 3 81mm mortar (believed to be a forerunner of the Type 97 mortar shown above, very few informations, it is the only pic of it that I could find)
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Illustration for the 70mm/81mm mortars (except the Type 3)
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Nice job my dude its sad :pensive: to see my suggestions never make it to Japanese suggestions posts but no worries here let me introduce :wink: you to a few semi-automatic rifle that Japan can get lets start domestically
1-Nambu semi-automatic rifle


2_ Kokura Arsenal from 1940

Man im in phone its gonna take long to do this on phone just be satisfied with these until I get to my PC

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Machine guns

Type 91 (type 11 for tanks with 45 rounds), fitted with a bipod and a normal stock for infantry use, and without the scope specifically for the machinegunner class ingame


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Type 97 without the scope for the machinegunner class ingame

Type 92 : japanese copy of the Lewis, used by infantry (47 rounds only, 97 rounds being only for aviation, a normal buttstock could be adapted to replace the rear handle/stock, there are some without barrel shroud too, so very likely converted MGs from aircraft)
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Type 98/Type 1 fitted with a buttstock and a bipod for ground use (same principle as the Type 92 without barrel shroud: this one was a japanese copy of the MG 15 for aviation, but was converted to ground use at the end of the war, designated Type 98 in the Army, and Type 1 in the Navy, 7.92x57mm Mauser, 75 round drum mag, around 1000 rpm)
Clear pic of the aviation version:
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Ground use version with buttstock and bipod (the one that could be implemented in the game):


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Captured Browning converted for ground use Mk.II* is the exact model, I did not put it in the title because I could not have strong text because of the * (303. British, belt-fed, taken from an aircraft, 1150 rpm)
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Type 99 for paratroopers
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Type 4 experimental tank MG (belt-fed, 7.7mm)
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Rename the “Type 100 machine gun” as the “Type 1 machine gun”, and give it its normal appearance with the twin pistol grips and the shoulder rest, instead of the cursed model that we actually have ingame
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Type Hei LMG with 20 round mag

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Thank you, I’ve added you in the list in the first post. I will do the snipers later, probably this night or tomorrow in the morning. I’m tired right now. :sweat_smile:

Maybe it’s not as interesting a reward, but it makes sense enough that the 5 load magazines fit the later version of the Type Hei as well.

18, there are 18 rounds, this is indicated by a number of factors, for example in the book 日本陸軍の傑作兵器駄作兵器: 究極の武器徹底研究 the note says that it is possible to load Tokyo Arsenal model 1927 18-round box magazine shown in the picture.
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It’s supposed to look something like this.

45 rounds.

I can also recommend my recent thread for viewing.

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Nice topic! I hadn’t seen it.
Also I will update the post about the Tokyo Arsenal 1927 mag size, thank you. I thought that the 18 rounds mag was only for the Tokyo Arsenal 1928, which is now lost, and I saw that some sources/topics claimed the box mag was 30 rounds for the 1927. You seem to have a lot of valuable informations.

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It is most likely the same store that decided to test on the Tokyo Arsenal model 1927 since the Tokyo Arsenal model 1928 was not yet ready at that time, but this is just a theory.

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Thx boss got some new cookies you can add to your list though these are super rare since these were exported in single digit numbers for testing purposes
Approximately from 1927 to 1931, Japanese representatives purchased individual samples of self-loading and automatic rifles from Denmark, France, Czechoslovakia, England, and the USA.
1-Madsen-Rasmusen 1896
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The rifle was rejected due to the complexity of the mechanism.(9-10 round)
2- RSC 17
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The rifle was rejected by Japanese due to its weight of 5275 grams, frequent breakdown of mechanisms and springs, and a special pack for cartridges.

3- Vickers Pedersen T2E1 Experimental Rifle
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the Pedersen rifle from Vickers-Armstrong was purchased in several samples. Pedersen rifle model 1930, caliber .276 (wrantless), non-detachable magazine, loaded with a pack of 10 rounds. The rifle underwent extensive testing and was copied by the Koishikawa Army Arsenal.

4- M1922 Bang rifle
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for comparative tests (not for adoption), Bang-Springfield rifles of the 1922 model and Browning systems of the 1918-1922 model (known as the Browning light machine gun. BAR m1918) of 7.62x63 mm caliber were purchase
The rifle was used in comparative tests with Japanese experimental designs.

That’s from me boss keep these until I find more cookies if I find something interesting will post here

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At a minimum, there was a purchase of a Thompson M1921 submachine gun, which was tested together with the Tokyo Arsenal model 1927.

But in fact, I would like Japanese weapons, maybe Chinese trophies, but not single copies for tests, in this case we can distribute the same Thompson to all nations.

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You are looking very narrowly we dont have records of for example Madsen-Rasmusen 1896 being used in ww2 by any nation but we know that Japan tested them so yeah there is no reason why not give them that and none of the weapons above are in game so I dont see any problem Japan getting them

Hmmm…
Why don’t I try making a list of weapons?
Japan has a number of pullmets with the ability to mount a telescopic sight, but the Type 97 we have in our game is a gunner’s weapon, not a sniper’s weapon. So I’ll just list the weapons with the ability to mount a telescopic sight:

All rifles of the Type Hei series (Type 97 telescopic sight):

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Type 96:



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Type 99:


Type Otsu (Type 97 telescopic sight):

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Type Ko / Type Ko long (Type 97 telescopic sight):

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Kokura arsenal rifle (Type 97 telescopic sight):


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Type 92 heavy machine gun:

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There are still questionable options whose existence is in doubt.

Chinese Type 97:

It’s basically a Japanese Tpp 97 captured by the Kaitians, then let’s imagine it could have been brought back to them by the Japanese and put a telescopic sight :sweat_smile:.

Type 97 (30 rounds):

At the machine gun competition (where the Type 99 won) there was a machine gun that was fed by magazines similar to the ZB 26 magazines (the same we can see in the Type 97), the capacity of these magazines in the Experimental Type 1 light machine gun Model III was 30 rounds, and it is possible that this 30 round magazine was also suitable for the Type 97 machine gun.

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Oh, nice. I hadn’t seen that the Type Otsu had a rail on it, but the problem with this one is the fact that the rail is mounted on top, and all the japanese scopes I know of are all mounted on the side. Anyway, I’ll write what I had in store for this part. I won’t add some pictures, because you already did most of the guns I had planned, but there are still some not here.

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This is probably why the Type Otsu has the front sight shifted to the side, so as not to interfere with the telescopic sight.

Sniper rifles/weapons

Arisaka Type 38 Kai (basically just a factory Type 38 which was converted to a sniper rifle, the only difference with the Type 97 sniper rifle is the fact that it didn’t have a monopod, and it still had the « Type 38 » markings, which potentially make the Type 97 ingame a Type 38 Kai because it doesn’t have the monopod)

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You can clearly see the monopod, which the ingame Type 97 rifle lacks

Arisaka Type 99 with 4x scope

World War II Japanese Type 99 Sniper Rifle with 4X Sniper Scope and Canvas Scope CaseThis is a early production No Series Type 99 Sniper Rifle manufactured by the Nagoya Arsenal, that is complete with an original 4X sniper scope and hard canvas scope...

Another 4x scope

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And the rest that you already posted, I won’t post pics (at least not now, I’ll do it if I have time, but it’s not a priority now).

Scoped Type 96 MG

Scoped Type 99 MG

Scoped Type 97 MG (remove the scope from the standard Type 97 for the machinegunner class, and make the scoped variant available only to snipers)
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Scoped Type 91 MG

Scoped Type 4 MG (could be controversial, because this prototype doesn’t seem to have any iron sights, so you can’t just remove the scope and give it to the machinegunner class and keep the scoped version for the sniper class like I suggested for the other scoped MGs, and I doubt that the devs want to give a belt-fed MG to snipers, lol)
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Weapons that could be fitted with scopes but unclear if they truly were at some point :

Type Ko rifle

Type Otsu rifle

Type Hei rifle (early and late)

Type Hei LMG

Kokura Arsenal rifle

Most of these weapons are already in the game, but you can see that they all have a rail on the left side for adapting a scope (on top of the rifle for the Type Otsu). I’m personally not a big fan of these, but it’s still an idea to be considered, and if they are implemented into the game, I think all these rifles, except the Kokura Arsenal rifle (which was made in the 1940s) should be fitted with a 2.5x scope, because these rifles were made before WW2, and the 4x scope was adopted later, which makes the Kokura Arsenal rifle the only one which could have got a 4x scope.

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