2nd match as BR4 - way too many AS-44, Fedorovs and STG44 it was unplayable just like old MM. Tank on Tank combat was fair just like last match BR4 tanks vs BR4 tanks. Except one guy with IS-2 1944 that murdered my panzer 4 g in a single hit without aiming.
3rd match as BR4 - pretty balanced across the board a lot of BR4 weapons and tanks but also a few BR3 and BR5 unlocks.
nice that mean the soft rule work pretty much most of the time which is good
BR3 match as the USA - total failure a lot of BR5 Japanese players Tokyo Hei and Tokyo SMGS everywhere. Plus a few Americans with T20 and M2 Carbines. Plus donât forget about BR5 tanks.
@Willcario
??? Combining the BRâs will just kill half off them. There are not at the same power level, so with: 1-2|3-4|5 BR1 & 3 would die because it would fight endless uptiers against the endlessly downtiered BR2 & 4! How is this fair??? Why BR2 and 4 get the right to endlessly stomp BR1 and 3 ???
And letâs not forget about the CoD like mess that BRâ5â would become⊠ewwâŠ
We already have this problem in BR5 vs BRâ5â, but in this fixed MM it would maks no sense to play the low level gear of your âBR bracketâ because you will be stomped by the best gear in there, and that âbest gearâ would never fight against anything better than itselfâŠ
Let me give you a few examples:
Who will use the Gewehr 41 and be constantly uptiered while they can just use the superior Gewehr 43 and be constantly downtiered, with no risc of fighting stuff better than it.
Who will use the 75 Sherman over the Junbo or the 76 when they are forced to fight Panthers regardless???
Who will use literally any BR1 tank while BR2 tanks both stomp them AND never fight BR3???
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No, BR1 and 3 would be cannonfodder for BR2 and 4.
Yep
Yes, BR5 is weird, but thatâs because itâs not just BR5, itâs BR5 and BRâ5â aka BR6, and we need them seperated asap! Thatâa literally the biggest thing we need right now @Conscript_Joe .
Correct, you just need to get the balance right.
@TangledTestes Just read this post, and if you still donât see the issue you need to sit and actually think about it for a while⊠And i hope you havenât forgotten how to do thatâŠ
What??? how is 3<2 ???
You make no sense, and this makes my theory right above look true⊠You need to go have a look at that before you start spewing more awful takes⊠And maybe you will be cured!
Hey!!! Thatâs my idea! You canât snatch BR6 like that just to have a good take on things for once! Plus, the 1-2 | 3-4 | 5 system you want is actually 3 BRâs with heavy powercreep issues, so BR6 doesnât even work with this. Decompressing BR5 with BR6 only makes sense in a BR±1 MM.
And thatâs just false, we still have the M1C Garand getting stomped at BR5âŠ
No, it isnât, unless you are making trash balancing decisions, like WarThunder does way too often recentlyâŠ
@CC_Cody Does it needs to have the same popularity??? People play what they want, if they want to grind they play something good for that, otherwise, they mostly play iconic or weird s#%$.
Thatâs exactly what happens in a fixed âBRâ âMMâ. In WarThunders BR±3 MM (and now Enlistedâs ±1 MM) uptiers are a nessesity to balance the fact that downtiers exist. You just need to balance the BRâs out in order to give the lowest BR of the match a chance of doing something, and not have them just getting stomped. WarThunder generally does a good job with this, if you exclude heavy tanks. And just like here, they have a top tier BR compression issue that they havenât fixed yetâŠ
The classic grind problem. Good luck with that! You have people here saying âtoo much grindâ, while the vets think thatâs this is OK simply because they are sitting on 600K XP from having no life! For WarThunder tho, the grind problem is real, and it getâs worse the higher you go.
Donât forget the saying: Low tier, FUN tier!
??? You just screamed about uptiers and now you want to force them to BR1 and 3âŠ
BR4 is OK, and adding BR6 would solve the âuptier sufferingâ BR4 currently has against BRâ5â aka BR6
Thatâs the purpose of the MM in BR±x MMâsâŠ
Thatâs just trash MM design⊠You need to balance the teams out in order to get balanced games!
WarThunder has a ~25% limit on the top BR players of a match. JUST grab that DarkFlow!
FIrst, itâs not per faction, itâs per BR. And yes, the popular BRâs will be better off with less uptiers, but you can have them fight themselves for a bit, just like how WarThunder narrows the BR range (soft rule) when a BR explodes in popularity for a bit (like when event vehicles get mass unlocked at the end of their events).
You do make a fair point that warthunder is actually +/- 3.
I donât see whatâs the issue here. From br1-2, 3-4, the power creep isnât that huge. At least it is way better than br 2-3, br 4-5. You have to make a choice. Bolty vs better bolty or better bolty vs semi. Taking the balance of Moscow in the past as an example, even if we have a new br6, there will still be br5 vs br4, which is avs36 against zh29. Itâs like putting supersonic against subsonic, sure, some subsonic will have a fighting chance, but it just doesnât feel good to play.
Thatâs exactly my point. Low tier will be better without uptiers to kv1, pz4j, Sherman 105, and rocket spam. If you want to challenge yourself by using br2 against br3 or br4 against br5, you can always adjust your gears accordingly. Personally, the grind doesnât affect me at all thanks to the merge, so I just want to play for fun. Why canât we just have separated br ranges of early war, mid war, and late war. I mean, enlisted used to run on the campaign system, and this would restore the good part of it. Itâs like proposing WWII only, cold war only, modern war only in warthunder.
BR6 has problems of its own. Like more queues and not enough gears for Japan. I know it works fine in the ideal sense, but hey itâs darkflow. Like you said, we need better team balance, I just donât see how it will come anytime soon.
The balance between BR2 and 3 is fine, best bolties + worst semis vs semis is fine. Plus, the smg situation currently favors BR2. And the powercreep situation is only a problem in BR5, even versus BRâ5â alone itâs worse than BR1 vs BR3 imo.
In the WarThunder analogy, BR2 vs BR3 is late props vs early jets, BR4 vs BR5 is best subsonics vs supersonics, and BR5 vs BRâ5â is F-4 Fhantoms vs Fox-3 spam. Obviously, the latter one is the worst one, and thge others are ok but with come gimmics, like the subsonics can outmaneuver the bad supersonics all day long, but the supersonics can simply deny the engagement altogether and run away to their team to 3v1 you later.
Nah, have your endless Stuart vs early Pz IIIâs battles by yourself! Taking out uptiers means bye-bye downtiers, aka everything fights itself stale crap. Thatâa no fun!
And you havenât even listed insane/unkillable vehicles here, you can counter them if you know what are you doing, it isnât supposed to be as easy as a walk in the park!
Itâs one more queue, and even Japan has eligible gear for BR6.
As you said, itâs DarkFlow that weâre talking about here! They didnât even implement a proper BR based MM system untill this fix, even though hey had access to WarThunderâs system for inspiration
I donât understand what you mean by this. Shouldnât it be crusader and m3 vs pz3n?
This is quite a subjective take. Itâs like saying I donât like a more fair and balanced fight. Itâs boring to have all mid supersonics with flares and balanced missiles fighting each other, and you have to throw in some subsonics with full aspect and higher tier supersonics. Wouldnât make such a judgment without a massive pool. Plus, unlike warthudner where there are only 3-4 vehicles per nation for each br, br in enlisted is quite huge, there is enough variety + all the event squads and guns.
What do you mean by insane/unkillable vehicles? The only one I can think of is br3 kv1 and kingtiger. And it is less of a br issue than downtier + crap team. If you ask me whether I want to see kv1 t34 fighting against short-barrel pz3 and pz4 from time to time. Why not? I am not against br2 vs br3. My main issue is br4 vs br 5, and all the rest can be tweaked.
I mean 5 queues are a lot for unpopular factions, like Japan br4 and 5 will be empty. Everybody will just play either bolty or type hei. No, Japan simply doesnât have enough gears for both br5 and 6. No br 5 rifle, no br5 mg, no ar like stg, as44 and m2, not enough planes, no good tanks besides already fantastical ho-ri.
Let me correct myself while youâre having a blood pressure spike. It was actually 12 queues across 6 campaigns (what I was initially referring to), compared to my idea which would be 12 queues in total across 4 factions after the merge update since it was more or less homogenized. Thatâs STILL going to be less separated queues than the pre-merge system lol. So, not exactly xaos.
Okay well that shouldnât be a thing regardless, M1C shouldnât be facing BR5 thatâs just retarded.
I donât really need to add more CC_Cody said enough.
I was talking about BR1 tanks, not BR2, but in a locked MM, with the practical merge of BR1 and 2, thatâs what you will get.
You said you donât want uptiers into KV1, Sherman 105 and Pz4j, and i said that they arenât too insane for their BR. The shermans arenât that difficult to kill with BR2 tanks like Puma and Panzers with short 75+HEAT (the grant has similar armot at BR2 too), the Pz4j has weak turret, so any russian 45mm will do, and the KV1 is tricky yeah, but you simply need to shoot when he isnât angled away.
As for the KingTiger, BR6, we have the Tiger E for BR5, whick can be countered by BR4 tanks.
Thatâs why itâs still a soft rule, because having even a single BR empty will mess with too much % of the BR range.
LoL
You said âold systemâ without clarification, and technically the 1-2-3|3-4-5 locked âBRâ âMMâ just got there, with the pre-merge system been long gone by now.
Plus, we canât have as many queues as your suggesting, just remember the bot farming mess some campaigns were because of balance and popularity problems. Even when the balance was decent we still had queue problems.
Just saw the British premium flamethrower squad, with Johnson Rifles, in Tunisia while I was BR 1. I think there might be some bugs.
no it because of the new soft rule
No.
For USA & Japan, soft rule is 2-5 when br 3.
While using Sovs &Germany itâs 2-4.
The system is under testing, also there might be more axis and Sov players than Usa & Japan ones (which would explain the br bracket difference)
it is kinda opposite⊠if there are more players they need wider MM while side with less player can get narrow MM.
I donât know how to explain Japan, thenâŠ
My humble guess is really simple and dumb:
They want to test 2-5, but also want to test 2-4. They merely picked 2 factions for both brackets.
They test stuff and collect data afterall 
i might be wrong actually⊠lack of players in japan faction causes MM to need to match on wider scale and that affects US⊠it is too hot to think right now 
I think is because US player are all playing with T20 so Japanese are forced in BRV?
well i have been playing br5 US and havent got pacific at all so idk
It also might mean youâll be in rather one of three queues. Rather 2-3 or 3-4 for the soft rule or the 3rd queue being the original 3-5.
