Enlisted core gameplay:
Gather and equip soldiers for your squad <---- Absolute trash
Use squad to shoot other squads <---- Meh
Result: Trash
Did it? All I remember them doing is remove the ability to predict what soldier is getting upgraded, removing the ability to guarantee a certain soldier class while sacrificing 2 random riflemen to the Snail to get this Assaulter upgrade out of the way
Uh no. Lmfao. I know a lot of MMORPGs and none do this bullshit. Give exact examples or it never happened.
No, it is hard, statistical facts. An MMO with less than 30k players will on average not be able to have an income large enough to afford the expenses for updates, marketing and server hosting.
That has nothing to do with my origional point you responded to.
On average, if something gives a good or neutral feeling 50% of the time, and a bad feeling 50% of the time, AKA 50% FAILURE UPGRADES, over 50% of people will be left with a negative feeling. so even if we take your groups into account, you got >50% people that do not like it, and then the rest is a mix of neutral and like. So whatever your math tells you, the majority still dislikes the system, based on pure objective statistics.
Because 90% of people that play or leave the game do not use the forum, lmao. If I am going to leave a game, why would I bother spending time on telling the random people I do not know that I am leaving?
people dying in the same way if you shoot them the same way is pretty realistic, so that is, once again, not a valid reason.
So you agree they are magic but still try to defend them
No. Realism adds all features that are fun AND based in reality, and leaves the non-fun stuff out to not get too far into Simulator. But it does NOT add fun features that are not based in reality, such as these magic perks, as that is Arcade.
Nah, enlisted squad battles are 100% the strongest part of the game, with no doubt. Sad you dont see that.
Muahaha. Just to make it clear for you after…3 months?! Previously you needed 3 soldiers of the same type to upgrade. Now you can mix them and you always receive the class you started with. They simplified soldiers leveling system and NOT randomed it as you thought.
Uh no. You tell me, famous f2p mmo rpgs without enchantment system
The thing is, when you ‘bear with something’ that means you accept it. You can dislike it, but still you going to accept this and as result keep playing and forget about it. So amount of people really hating and tending to leave is going to be much lower and insignificant compared to those who stay and pay.
Are we discussing something not happened or something happened? I’ve said READ THOSE WHO POSTED, and not look for those who gone without posting. From those who posting there aren’t really a lot of people who really hate the system.
Oh seriously, so if i shoot one guy to the right from his center and and he dies - it also means the next one is going to die too? Thats not going to happen. Next guy has different size, mass, is younger and tougher. This is reality, and not what you ‘expect’.
In some b2p game where you host games yourself or mod it yourself.
strongest =/= strong
meh is the best rating i can give it with all the bullshit perks and upgrades factored in, the rest of the game is worse than meh so trash
Except they didnt. You randomly get one of the 3 soldiers you put in. It is random. If it hasnt been for you you are very lucky, as I have received random riflemen
For one, war thunder is such a game. And before you start arguing about it “not being an MMO RPG”, it advertises itself as such. Your turn
Nobody forgets about failing their gun upgrade. They will still be frustrated, just not enough to abandon the time they invested into it, which is one of the scummiest ways of keeping players around.
Hmm you tell me. Playercount has been going down and down in the past months. So I do not think it is insignificant
I dont have to look to notice there are less than 30% of players remaining compared to when CBT started. Queue times alone tell enough.
JUST IN THIS THREAD ALONE THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE WHO HATE IT
And then there’s you, ONE GUY, who defends it, and ONE GUY, Joseph, who hasnt explicitly stated like/dislike
Sure, let the models visualize that. Because as far as I can see, they all weigh the exact same and are exactly as long. At that point I could consider this an option, but until then, you are talking bullshit
Its not. This really shows how bad you know the game
I see no real problem here finding a game lobby full with players. Did players get borred? Maybe, because of updates. Are players waiting for obt? Surely. Has this something to do with upgrade? Not at all.
People are posting in threads directly interesting them, nothing wrong there. But this is not the right place to look for feedback. There are proper threads where people leave their general feedback about the game. And its mostly positive, even when they say that upgrade system is the worst part of the game, they say “I LIKE THE GAME”. You like to ignor that fact, but its all there.
This was related to real life and ‘reality’. In reality people die differently, thats what i said. Same may happen in the game and there is nothing you can say to persuade me
THE ENTIRE FORUM IS FEEDBACK. THIS IS A PROPER THREAD ABOUT PEOPLE HATING THIS SYSTEM. If this is not the right place to look, nothing else in this forum is the right place and we might as well delete the entire forum
Also if you really want to, go look at the feedback thread for the last update and see 5+ people complain about the progression system there You seem to ignore all those people hating on it
The people here are not real. They are all the same. Unless they are actually different like in real life, they should not behave differently like in real life.
Come on. Entire forum is the feedback, but we talk about comparison, you cant make a comparison in a single thread where haters are discussing issue. There is nothing literally nothing to compare. The biggest compilation of feedback is all in 1 thread (actually now in 2). You need a link?
Well ask your buddies to come over and defend the system. This post has 38 views so far, nobody else stepped up to defend the system other than you, so why not just admit you are the minority here.
And I know about the general feedback thread. I also know about nobody there saying they liked the new weapon upgrades. Go read this one: Feedback for update 0.1.13.25 NOBODY mentioned liking the new upgrade system. They either dislike, or do not mention it. The people in there that hate it that I haven’t mentioned here are @_31420124242011, @George9890, @73507743, @70242574
One mentioned that this is their limit (@19945606) NOBODY likes it.
I also know about my poll threads stating that the weapon progression is absolute dogshit according to the majority of the community.
Like even after solving ALL issues you can still make a poll to find out whats the worse part of the game, its the main purpose of the poll, but it doesnt means that a poll showing already known issue is actually a proof that this particular issue is going to kill the game, nor proves it that everyone who votes hates it.
Tell me, does each democrat hates each republicans just because they vote against? That would a big lie to believe in this. Asking peoples opinion and having statistics has nothing to do with hate or game-breaking issues. As you said - we have indeed 3 haters in this topic, but the truth is that most of people disliking upgrades are not actually hating the game for this. They vote because they think it could be done better. To vote - is not same as to demand or insist.
I never constructed the 1-10 rating polls as to which one is worst, but just static how BAD everything is.
And the new weapon upgrade systen went from 3.3 to 2.3 in the ratings. In comparison, even the OBTAINING (not effect) of perks is 5.5, and premium soldiers are stiting at 3.7
Not everyone has to hate it. Only enough people to be the majority.
It is, though. If you dislike something, you want it changed. Simple. Whether it should be prioritized OVER something else is a different story, but nothing else has been getting this much negativity other than the head bobbing, which should be a much more minor fix. As a result, this would be top priority for a rework, if any ever comes.
+4 in the other thread not spending their time here, instead only spending their time there.
you are right. but i never saw a comment stopping with " i like the game " outside a couple of people.
now, i don’t wanna play this game anymore ( of finding who or who ) but if you go in any official update thread, you will find 80% of comments with, " i like the game, But "
and, i suppose that’s enough to gather opinions. unfortunally, i do not speek russian, so i can’t, and i will not speak for the russian side.
the only problem that i see, is people like you, not watching or overneglting such factors as having fun in games.
and i don’t think it’s my fault for having lack of time. ( are you gonna feed me? ) but stupidly enough, i agree with you that mmo most of tham has progression system. but there is a difference between spending half of your life on a game, and being able to play the game for have fun, unlocking what you can.
i do not pretend that the game should not have unlocks. because as we all agree, unlocks are what makes you feel rewarded, but just because you play the game more than me, doesn’t mean that your opinion matters the most considering mine or anyone’s elses that has a job.
because your " point " can be deconstracted in two way. the first one, i don’t know how you would feel in the first week of game realesed from beta or whatever, finding people with 3 premium squads almost maxed out, and ready to kick ass when you just have to start with a rifles. like, this is the definions of pay to win. but what you do not consider, is how hurtfull it’s gonna be for you beloved game that you defend.
( 3 premium squads are not confirmed. but at this point they will be a thing and we all know that)
so, people that buy premium squads does not need to grind though squads ( unless they want to upgrade their soldiers ) at the point that they get bored. because they already have the " best ". and after let’s say that after 1, 2 if not 3 months, they will get bored. and go somewhere else. making the playerbase split.
second, i played a lot of mmo and not many are like this one.
i don’t know which you played like this type, but i can tell that you played too many of this kind.
at the point that you find " normal " all of this.
just saying.
and ignorig the fact that people are leaving, it’s not a good sign either.
because you are somewhat, the reason giving a false vision to ( not necesarrely devs ) but people at higer positions.
and if does relaease like that, enlisted is gonna have a lot of problems. definitly not by some random girl on the net, but milions of players avoiding the title.
i’m not sure you are aware, but if you take a look at strams and stuff, ( to begin with, even if sponsored, the lives of 7/8 days ago only around 800 people were looking at streams. why you may ask?
youtubers already made a good " impression " towards people that were interestred in enlisted.
just, take a look how many CBT members do we have. not, many.
and lasty, you know that nothing is going very well as you are here to defend a system… not any Q&A, devs, or who of duty.
which if they will reach, it will just be for close this post as it will become " too hot, and uncivilized ".
EDIT. i do have a solution.
introduce a PVE gamemode. not too much different from the current state, where players of the same fuction will cooperate with each other to fight against the AI, and earn less than half compared to normal PVP matches. so that also new people can learn something about the game, and get some equipment from it. but at least i will not complain there as i don’t have to face people with better equipment making my, your and everyone’s points pointless above and i can have fun all i want.
how the company will get money from casual players like me and others?
skins. if i see something that i like, i’ll buy it. as i stated multiple times, i’ll never change my opinion. and i’m all about cosmetics. i do love the visual over the efficency. it’s just like who i am really. but i’ll never buy some stuff that gets me at better positions to ruin someone else’s fun.
sorry, but i’m not that kinda of type.
so yeah, different helmets, perhaps new backpacks, camo, teddies to apply to my vehicles, doesn’t matter. i’ll probably buy it.
Most mobile / browser-based “MMORPGs” are built exactly like Enlisted. Progression through lootboxes, break up duplicates and use spare parts to enchant the gear you do want to keep (with a chance of failure or even loss of equipment you were trying to enchant).
It can even be somewhat fun if the game is generous enough and the process of acquiring duplicates is enjoyable. The drawbacks are that it doesn’t work too well in serious setting and turns PvP into cancer that can’t possibly be the main activity.
but still try to defend them 
