Testing expanded BR for maps

[CaptainSebekel]

@KlappSpaten

Do you really think so?

How many games offer a squad system akin to Enlisted?

@KlappSpaten

Precisely because the bots aren’t perfect

Then what were the Panzer III B in Moscow or the M2 Carbine in Normandy? The Twin Towers?

@KlappSpaten

the interaction of the weapon types

Pffff… Yeah Sure, very unique. Not every game offers different types of weapons…

@KlappSpaten

damage models

The shitty bugged ones from the old version of War Thunder? Or infantry where Soviet body armour magically reduces 10% of all kinds of bullet damage?

@KlappSpaten

vehicles with historical armor values,

Didn’t they overbuff the Panther armor? And weren’t T-34 drivers’ hatches not known for flying off when hit with HE?
Also, this exists in many other games such as Red Orchestra, HLL or Squad 44.

@KlappSpaten

and no HP bar depletion,

Tank modules do have HP (bars) and technically the crew are also HP bars. And this exists in other games as well.

@KlappSpaten

maps of original battlefields

So does Battlefield, Call of Duty, HLL, Squad 44 Red Orchestra…
Very unique I see.

@KlappSpaten

, the mix of arcade and tactical gameplay

@KlappSpaten

the squads and their configuration

Didn’t I just mention that?
But yeah, for once there is actually something unique.

@KlappSpaten

For a long time, the game gave me the feeling of being able to play one of the historical battles of the time

Never forget the very historical Jumbo in Normandy or the M3A1 Grease Gun which was issued in December 1944.
Or the post-merge era where the same M3A1 Grease gun could be used in Tunisia.

But I forgot, that is completely different because the Panther was issued in mid-1943 and the M3A1 Grease Gun in December 1944 so the Panther is clearly worse… wait, what?

[Willcario]

@KlappSpaten

@Willcario

this game has never been historically immersive, if it were, then you wouldnt have everybody bouncing around with assault rifles and FG42s

But it only became that way after the last major update.
Before that, it wasn’t as pronounced or balanced.

you could have 9 man squads with FG42s or M2 carbines from the very beginning from what i know

[Veekay45]

@Veekay45

How about this?

• add BR6 and put all the fakes there (Autohei, T20, Fedorov, AS, RD, Hyde, Hori, SU-9 etc.)
• make BR6 ±0 MM
• open all maps for BR6 and even free for all factions
• keep BRs 1-5 normal WW2 with normal map distribution and without prototypes powercreep

So the “I don’t care about WW2 I just want to use the best guns and win” players can enjoy it there?

How about this, part 2:

1. Leave the “legacy maps” alone:
   -Moscow I-II
   -Stalingrad I-III
   -Tunisia I-III
   -Rzhev I-III
   -Normandy III-V
   -Ardenes III-V
   -Berlin III-V
2. Every single new map you add - make it BR I-V but don’t link it to a specific city/battle/event, e.g.:

@Veekay45

1. Generic German town

This map would fit for Soviet, German and USA BRs 3-4-5 as it can be located anywhere from East Prussia to Western Germany, and would not look out of place either with T-34 vs Pz IV or Firefly vs Tiger II.

2. Soviet steppe village

This map in summer/early autumn colors would fit for Soviet and German BR 1-2-3 as battle stage for anything from Barbarossa 1941, advance towards Stalingrad 1942, Kursk area 1943 or even Khalkhin Gol steppe between USSR and Japan in 1939 for BR 1.

3. Belarusian lakes and forests

[KlappSpaten]

Technically, you’re right about the Normandy and Berlin campaigns back then. The opportunity would have been there.
In practice, however, this automatic weapon spam didn’t exist because the weapon grind was done per campaign. This meant that you had players with different equipment and levels of progress in each match.
This meant that every player wasn’t at their maximum possible equipment limit. This mixed up the different skills more, which admittedly could have been a difficult start for a beginner.
However, these players who had the ambition here weren’t flash in the pan either.
However, the zero-recoil children’s laser rifle M2 Carbine wasn’t yet in the game at that time.

That’s precisely the madness of wanting to make everything the same and maximize flexibility through streamlining.
All of this leads to even more imbalance and dissatisfaction.