Ohh so it was the case here.
Let me give you an example, a person suddenly kills someone on the street, the brother of the victim finds him out of revenge and kills him. Both are murderers and sinners, but you certainly don’t think of them as the same.
To be honest, I don’t understand exactly what you mean, English is not my first language.
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You imply that killing german civillian is less bad than killing soviet civilians because they got a reason to do it.
The sin is the same, but the reason for the sin is different. I’m not defending them, but we’re saying that if you seek justice, you should hate the Germans more.
Revenge against innocent german children huh? Not exactly gonna get you off the hook in court. Not to mention if you think by the nazi fanatics standpoint, their actions were merely revenge and safeguarding the future too.
If we wanna talk about the bombings, those were aimed at military infrastructure, even Dresden which wehraboos love to bring up, was a legitimate target. the USAF in particular however were quite inaccurate, it is even more justified when it was committed against countries who committed terror bombing.
Saying that there is some rare examples of the actual targeting of civilians by the USAF, I cant remember where, but the workers quarters were targeted in one raid under the thought of, “if they can repair the factory in a month, Id like to see them replace the workers in a month then.”. That was a war crime in my opinion, however again, it is the exception to the rule as opposed to the rule.
Still to compare the rape and murder of defenceless women and children to the strategic bombing campaign is a bit disingenuous wouldnt you say so?
So you don’t think the firebombing of Tokyo or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were direct crimes against civilians?
Surely the Americans accidentally burned more than a hundred thousand people in Tokyo and destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes?
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You know that is an interesting debate, because I would say they were both justified, however to call them a war crime is the real grey area, on one side, they were targeting military installations, on the other hand, they were using munitions they knew were going to cause significant collateral damage.
So if we look at it that way, it is a war crime, but then you get into the morality of it all, is it moral for a cop to kill a serial killer to stop them from killing again? Because to me, the atomic bombings at least were necessary to save the lives of millions, a land invasion of the isle of Japan would have been devastating for all parties involved. That becomes an entire philosophical debate that I genuinely dont think can be answered satisfactorily.
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Bombing of cities will always be warcrimes due to the nature of the attack and collateral damage but also common practice on every side of the war.
There is no moral high ground to be gained from that debate as there is no party not beeing an acomplice to it. The only thing you could judge them is to how effective they where while doing it.
Yes, this discussion is pointless.
In the end, my personal opinion is that the atomic bomb was a complete crime, they dropped the bomb with the intention of killing many civilians (to force the Japanese government to surrender).
That very japanese government forced all of their people, including people from occupied territories, to die, armed with bamboo spear, bow and katana. (一億玉砕, 本土決戦, 決号作戦)
and their military also planned a coup to stop the government from signing peace treaty, which fails fortunately. (宮城事件)
And if allies didn’t drop the bomb, it means the operation downfall and millions of us soldiers would die as well.
Also, the allies offered peace treaty multiple times, ever prior to dropping bomb. but the japanese government completely disregarded the offer and decided to force their people to all die.
Precisely, they offered peace treaty before postam declaration, after postam declaration, after first atomic bomb and after second atomic bomb.
It’s the government who didn’t surrendered, not the allies being blood-thirsty and kill civilians for fun.
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Ahahah
Everytime. Everytime darker history is mentioned, even just for the sake of history and nothing else,
Threads devolve into politics.
It never misses 
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Suprised the entire threat was not nuked by now. XD
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They could also add the Fallschirmjäger utility gravity knife.
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A fun (or not so fun) little factoid about the dropping of the atomic bombs is that there is a guy (Can’t remember his name) that actually survived BOTH atomic bombs.
Talk about having a rough week, amirite?
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Yes, more knife!
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and how much?
Can’t wait for the Dreseden map so i could get 1000 kills every match on the civilian npcs.
What do you mean by this? We know about criminal German orders, for example this one.
The Military Justice Decree , commonly known as the Barbarossa decree
And what are you talking about? In the Soviet army, looting was punishable by trebunal.
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