Sniper Squad Revamp (Myrm1don Suggestion)

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Myrm1don

Take Down (Last hits with pistols are insta kill, no downing of soldiers)

Current pistols in general feels bit weird. I wouldnt mind if all of them received higher multiplier for headshots for guaranteed kills.
Rather than making them better for snipers only

@Myrm1don

Eagle eye (Extra Zoom on iron sights when holding breath)

Seems slightly un-necessary due to scope

@Myrm1don

Lone Wolf (If Squad size is less than or equal to 3, Vitality +50%) The current sniper class cannot get the vitality perk, and will still be the case if you run a large squad or attach to other squads, But since the class is now intended to work in a solo capacity, this perk is to give the Sniper access to the Vitality per AND the passive 12.3% perk when running in a small unit (I rounded up)

With this I disagree, snipers already have the range advantage. And imo, the lack of vitality for this unit is definitely justified by above mentioned range advantage.

Camos, no killcam & longer spots in other hand are all good ideas.

[Myrm1don]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Current pistols in general feels bit weird. I wouldnt mind if all of them received higher multiplier for headshots for guaranteed kills.
Rather than making them better for snipers only

Can still make pistols better in general yes

@TUSUPOLISI69

Seems slightly un-necessary due to scope

true, it just gives some more options. Alot of snipers also did so without scopes

@TUSUPOLISI69

With this I disagree, snipers already have the range advantage. And imo, the lack of vitality for this unit is definitely justified by above mentioned range advantage.

I dont think its a big deal. doesn’t effect rifles, maybe an extra bullet on the other guns. but sure

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Myrm1don

Can still make pistols better in general yes

Could give snipers silenced pistols, regardless they used to be gold order with smg ? If i recall.
Could even make it so that with silencer theres no killcam, downside being more bullet drop and slightly less dmg ( silenced snipper )

@Myrm1don

true, it just gives some more options. Alot of snipers also did so without scopes

Im not against it, just seems unnecessary.

@Myrm1don

I dont think its a big deal. doesn’t effect rifles, maybe an extra bullet on the other guns. but sure

Doesnt really suit to this squad, as earlier mentioned the range advantage and imo this squad just shouldnt be able to tank any extra shots regardless with what they get shot at.

Buffing snippers as squad, should focus on spotting to make them even remotely useful to team.
One way of improving the spotting would be granting the snippers ability to mark enemies to map.
Aka theres AA behind haystack, you cant get the direct spot on it but you know exactly where it is you could mark on map the position, either direct position or approximate position like circle on map similar to artillery.

But as opening map and marking locations for team would take too much effort for majority of players.
Id rather have this in form of regular spotting. You know the location where the AA is for example, but cant get direct spot so its marked as approximate spot aka circle on map.

Dunno how hard it would be implement to the game or even impossible.
But imo improving the snippers spotting ability would be the way to go to improve this unit.

[Myrm1don]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Aka theres AA behind haystack, you cant get the direct spot on it but you know exactly where it is you could mark on map the position, either direct position or approximate position like circle on map similar to artillery.

FYI everyone can already do this using the map

Hold M, Hold ALT and the right click on the map…makes a marker for everyone, including range for mortars (this is how you do well with mortars)

[TUSUPOLISI69]

And no one does that, except mark spot for themselfs.

Also its just that pingpong marker, it doesnt specify what you spotted.

[VoyoMayPL]

Flares

Spotting flares

(I think such topic was made in the past but it won’t hurt to suggest this again.) Add spotting flares as recon/sniper gadget. I imagine it would work similarly to flares in BFV or that other game we shall not speak of where you shoot it to the air and it spots enemies in the X meter radious on the minimap (no 3D spotting) for some time. I think it would be a nice gadget as it promotes teamwork and fills the gap as we don’t really have anthing like that. Also it gives some nice extra utility …

Fast, intuitive, idiot proof

[Myrm1don]

@VoyoMayPL

I’d love to have actual team of sniper + spotter.
It could give you some buffs like auto spotting, bullet drop indicator or even lead marker if we are brave enough.

Sort of something I had in mind, You could just run your squad as a duo, Sniper and #insert Specialist here

[VoyoMayPL]

I’d preffer something more actually sniper related. You know, like weapon teams.
But I guess your option is far more likely to actually happen.

[gastanofrizzi]

It don’t work with the actual squad gameplay because:

• our map mostly favour moving gameplay and the actual sniper squad it can achieve it, but your rework propose to much stuff for a solitary run or for long range sniping who end in camping
• without a hard limit of your reworked sniper squad more than two people running it is going heavy handicap the team offensive ability

[Myrm1don]

@VoyoMayPL

I’d preffer something more actually sniper related. You know, like weapon teams.
But I guess your option is far more likely to actually happen.

well a sniper and spotter is actually 2 trained snipers…so a duo of two snipers is pretty much that

[VoyoMayPL]

Yeah but they don’t snipe both at the same time. I mean something like this:

Though I guess it wasn’t that common in ww2?

[Myrm1don]

I dont know how you would put that in…unless you make the player the spotter and anything you hold in your binocs the AI squaddie kills…lol…but if you are going to be aiming at it you may aswell be the one shooting in a game.

[Myrm1don]

@gastanofrizzi

our map mostly favour moving gameplay and the actual sniper squad it can achieve it, but your rework propose to much stuff for a solitary run or for long range sniping who end in camping

you still have that option, you can still spawn the squad as it is currently

@gastanofrizzi

without a hard limit of your reworked sniper squad more than two people running it is going heavy handicap the team offensive ability

that’s more a case of the player making bad choices. cant fix that, and they can make equally bad choices by hiding in some random building trying to snipe with a squad as well as without.

you can get alot of work done with 1 soldier, Enter Erwin Konig

[VoyoMayPL]

That’s why I wrote about stuff like bullet drop indicator etc. Basically you snipe and spotter makes it easier.

[Lisqs]

This is so cool, basically yours crew served weapons which I am big fan of though the devs are clearly not

[VoyoMayPL]

I guess it’s because:

1. Simply difficult to do
2. doesn’t suit the role of AI in this game (moving targets)

[Lisqs]

although… AT guns AA guns are crew served already, we might get it one day, enlisted crawls forward slowly, enlisted trailer showed us dual mortar barrage. It’s probably indeed difficult to do but same time it makes superb impression on trailers etc

[VoyoMayPL]

@Lisqs

AT guns AA guns are crew served already

It’s a different case I think. Those guns are basically vehicles so they can have crews. I doubt it’s possible to easily coppy this for infantry weapons.

[Myrm1don]

@VoyoMayPL

It’s a different case I think. Those guns are basically vehicles so they can have crews. I doubt it’s possible to easily coppy this for infantry weapons.

Hell Divers 2 Team weapons are very cool!! (have you seen it?)…but honestly no one wants to be the loader haha

Helldivers 2 Autocannon Assisted Reload is SO SATISFYING

[Naohmcete]

if they have an engie give them a mini wood/bricks/metal,sandbag shield (depends of what could be easier) for cover the engie