Replace TNT with ant tank grenades (harder than it looks)

[Kriegerfaust007]

Anti-Tank Grenades/TNT packs. Criticism of explosives/TNT. Remove TNT Packs Anti-Tank Grenades. Anti-tank grenade. -
----------------------USSR 75MM---------------
The RPG-43 (ruchnaya protivotankovaya granata obraztca 1943 goda , meaning hand-held anti-tank grenade ) was a high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) shaped charge hand grenade used by the Soviet Union during World War II. It entered service in 1943, replacing the RPG-40; the RPG-40 used a simpler high explosive (HE) warhead. The RPG-43 had a penetration of around 75 millimetres (3.0 in) of rolled homogeneous armour at a 90° angle. Later in the war, it was improved and became the RPG-6.[1] . –
-----------------------Germany 150MM------------ The first version of the Panzerwurfmine was the Panzerwurfmine Lang (“long”). This weighed 1.36kg, and had a total length of 53.3 cm. It was stabilised by fins at the rear of the tube, that sprang out when the device was thrown. It was first introduced in May 1943, with 203,800 produced in that year. It was discontinued in favour of the Panzerwurfmine Kurz (“short”), which was stabilised by a canvas strip that rolled out when the device was thrown, and was also shorter.

Both designs had warheads with a diameter of 11.4cm, carrying a shaped charge of 500g that could penetrate approximately 150mm of RHA at zero degrees. ------------UK 25MM---------
The "Grenade, Hand, Anti-Tank No. 74 ", commonly known as the S.T. grenade [a] or simply sticky bomb , was a British hand grenade designed and produced during the Second World War. According to a War Office training pamphlet dated 29 August 1940, the sticky bomb should be regarded as a portable demolition device which can be “quickly and easily applied”.[13] The sticky bomb was thought to be effective against armour of up to one inch (25 mm) thickness and was suitable for use against “baby” tanks, armoured cars and the vulnerable points on medium and heavy tanks. .
-------Japan 18MM round 75MM tail------------------------------------------------------------------ |HAND MINES

Besides the Model 99 magnetic mine, which already has been used on a wide scale, two other hand-thrown antitank demolitions are known to have been developed and experimented with by the Japanese Army. They are the Conical Hand Mine and the Experimental Hand-thrown Mine.

The Conical Hand Mine (right) and the Experimental Hand-thrown Mine (left, quarter-section view) are antitank grenades that detonate on impact. They can penetrate 3/4 inch of armor.

The Model 3 Conical Hand Mine actually is an antitank bomb or hand grenade. This grenade has been found in captured ammunition dumps in the Philippines, although there have been no reported attempts by the enemy to use it. Of Japanese naval manufacture, it comes in two sizes—one weighing 2 pounds, and the larger weighing 3 pounds. Like the Lunge Mine, the Conical Hand Mine is a cone shaped, hollow charge designed to direct the force of explosion against tank armor. The large end of the grenade cone is covered by a bowl-shaped wooden base. The whole body of the grenade is encased in a silk bag sewn to fit tightly around the explosive unit and the wooden base.

The fuze, which functions on impact, is located in the narrow end of the bomb, and is designed to detonate regardless of the angle at which the grenade strikes the target. To ensure detonation, the grenade must be thrown with force. To be safe from the effect of the explosion, the soldier who throws the grenade must be at least 35 feet from the target. The grenade reputedly can penetrate 3/4 inch of armor.

Approximately 20 inches of hemp-palm fibers resembling a grass skirt are attached to the narrow end of the grenade, and serve as a tail or stabilizer when the grenade is thrown. This permits the grenade to strike base-first on the target.

The Experimental Hand-thrown Mine is a spherical bomb 4.7 inches in diameter. It is composed of 3 pounds of explosive encased in a black aluminum shell. Like the Conical Hand Mine, it is reported as capable of penetrating 3/4 inch armor, and must be thrown from a distance of at least 30 feet from the target.

A carrying handle and a fuze cover are attached to the outside of the mine. During shipment the fuzes are packed separately, and must be inserted in the mine by unscrewing the fuze cover and inserting the fuze in the recess provided. The fuze is similar to that on the Conical Hand Mine, and is kept unarmed by a safety pin. Since the fuze will detonate the bomb upon impact with the target, the mine requires careful handling after the safety pin has been removed. ----------------

The trouble is it has become the jack of all master of none, low level tanks quiver in fear of the TNT bundle. AT-AA-MG nests falter before its power though it has weaknesses. hand grenades are better at downing large numbers of infantry, molotovs are good fore ariel denial. and no at-rifle and rockets are not good enough. Every soldier needs at least limited anti tank/vehicle abilities.

already with anti-infantry weapons the TNT bundle gives the common soldier an anti-tank weapon. The trouble is the broad spectrum of anti-tank grenades a strength and a weakness. from less than an inch to six inches they come in all shapes and forms. so do we stay with the pistol approach that is everything is BR1. Or do we have a spectrum of grenades maybe br1-3-5 as five br’s of grenades might be a bit much.
----------------------------US XXMM------------------------

The Grenade, Hand, Anti-Tank, No. 75 , also known as the "Hawkins grenade " was a British anti-tank hand grenade used during World War II. It was one of a number of grenades developed for use by the British Army and Home Guard in the aftermath of the Dunkirk evacuation. The grenade first appeared in 1942, and was designed to be more versatile than previous grenades, such as the No. 73 grenade and the sticky bomb.
-----------------------USSR 100MM
The RPG-6 (Russian Ruchnaya Protivotankovaya Granata , “Handheld Anti-Tank Grenade”) was a Soviet-era anti-tank hand grenade used during the late World War II and early Cold War period. It was superseded by the RKG-3 anti-tank grenade.
-------------------------------USSR 20-25MM
The RPG-40 was an anti-tank hand grenade developed by the Soviet Union in 1940.[1][2] A marginally effective design capable of penetrating about 20–25 millimetres (0.79–0.98 in) of steel armour, it was soon replaced by the RPG-43 and later the RPG-6, both used shaped charges to increase penetration.
------------------------Italy 20MM
The Breda Mod. 42 was an anti-tank grenade, developed by Breda, supplied to the Royal Italian Army during World War II.

The bomb adopted the spool and the handle from Breda Mod. 40. To this it was added a spherical body bomb containing 574 grams of TNT. According to the manufacturer, the charge of TNT was able to pierce armor of 20 mm and chipping internally plates of 30 mm. It had to be launched at no less than 14–15 meters to allow the slipping of the safety of the trajectory that occurred after 10–12 meters. The final model instead adopted a bucket in sheet instead of the headphone retraction, thus reducing the time of the slipping of the automatic safety.[3]

[Kriegerfaust007]

------------------------------------UK 50MM

The No. 68 Anti-Tank Grenade

The No.68 was a HEAT grenade designed to damage armoured fighting vehicles and was fired from a service rifle with a discharger cup. The Mark I version of the grenade was first introduced in mid 1940 and by June 10,000 grenades had been delivered and issued, due to the situation at this time 2 million of the grenades were requested. When fired the grenades produced significant recoil and so a spade was designed to attach to the butt of the rifle, firing from the shoulder was also possible but reduced the range from 100 yards to 50-60 yards. The grenades were initially filled with 156 grams of RDX/BW but could also be filled with Pentolite, later several other fillings were tested and Lyddite was also approved. By 1942 the grenades were obsolete and related to the Home Guard.

Penetration of the grenades varied between each Mark and also depended on what filling was used, initially penetration of around 30mm at 30 degrees and 38mm at 0 degrees would be reasonable, with later Marks penetration of around 35-40mm at 30 degrees and 50mm at 0 degrees could be achieved. Post penetration performance depended on the thickness of the plate and the angle, a thinner plate tended to yield a larger number of higher velocity fragments while a thicker plate gave fewer much larger low velocity fragments.
---------------------------------Germany 25-30MM
The Gewehr-Panzergranate was an anti-armor weapon which upon hitting the target ignited the PETN base fuze which in turn ignited the TNT filling which collapsed the internal steel cone to create a superplastic high-velocity jet to punch through enemy armor.[1] Since shaped charge weapons rely on chemical energy to penetrate enemy armor the low velocity of the grenade did not adversely affect penetration. A downside of the Gewehr-Panzergranate was its short range 46–114 m (50–125 yd).[2]
-----------------------------------USSR
VKG-40 shaped-charge rifle grenade

The rifle cumulative grenade is designed to combat lightly armored vehicles (light tanks, tankettes, armored cars and armored personnel carriers), enemy vehicles not protected by armor, as well as firing points. The grenade is thrown from the modernized Dyakonov grenade launcher (after modification for the VKG-40 grenade, the grenade launcher cannot be used to fire other types of grenades). Only blank cartridges are used for shooting. It was put into service in 1944.

The grenade consists of a body filled with an explosive charge and a fuse. The body of the grenade is painted green, the head (ogival) part of the grenade is painted black.

The body consists of a cylindrical part, a conical bottom part, closed with an aluminum cap with a thread and a head part that came to life. The explosive charge has a cumulative recess lined with tin. On the outer surface of the cylindrical part of the body there are three leading protrusions. In the bottom part of the grenade there is an inertial fuse, covered with an aluminum cap. The fuse of the grenade consists of a striker with a stinger, a settling cylinder, a wire pin and a detonator.

Throwing a grenade from a grenade launcher is carried out only with the help of a special blank cartridge. It is a 7.62 mm cartridge case loaded with P-45 or VP powder weighing 2.75 g
-----------------------------------US
The M9 rifle grenade was an American anti-tank rifle grenade used during World War II. The earlier-designed M10 grenade was too heavy to be fired an effective distance by a rifle; the M9 was conceived as a lighter version of that design. (The M10 became part of the evolution of the bazooka.)

----------------------------Japan
The Type 2 rifle grenade launcher was an attachment for the Japanese Type 38 and Type 99 rifles that allowed them to fire special hollow charge grenades. It was a version of the German Schiessbecher grenade launcher. Two grenades were produced for the launcher: a 30 mm calibre grenade and a larger 40 mm calibre grenade, both designated Type 2. The launcher sits over the end of the barrel, held in place with a clamping device. A special crimped blank cartridge or wooden bullet is used to fire the grenades.

[Naohmcete]

claps

[S-G-44]

Would be fun to use them but in certain point… The same as Demopacks

I think that DF could have changed the skin demo packs and put these granade desing instead

[BodyBagger111]

Why remove the TNT? Just add the antitank grenades and let people choose what they want to use. Options gentlemen, options!

[Myrm1don]

I was/am going to make a topic on this

AT grenades for AT soldiers,

TNT - for Engineers, Guerllias and AT soldiers

Dynamite - For everyone but only disables…no overpressureing crew or ammo racking, can only break tracks, engines, barrels and traverse.

[Kriegerfaust007]

Dynamite - For everyone but only disables…no overpressureing crew or ammo racking, can only break tracks, engines, barrels and traverse.---------too strong too useful, . but if you nerf dynamite so hard in damage and only give. AT grenades for AT soldiers,

TNT - for Engineers, Guerllias and AT soldiers

you need to increase range as is dynamite must be touch the tank to kill, so if it only disables 5 map units should be fair

[Myrm1don]

@Kriegerfaust007

you need to increase range as is dynamite must be touch the tank to kill, so if it only disables 5 map units should be fair

I got no problem with that. The explosion pack/dynamite radius used to be much larger anyway…it has been nerfed alot since its first implementation.

The idea here is really to make the AT class the premiere tank destroyer, and everyone else a hindrance

[Kriegerfaust007]

as long as they cannot repair the tank from the inside that is fine, disabling a tank means they have to kill the attackers with a hinderance or get out of the tank and get killed.

seems balanced to me disable the tracks and loop around, disable guns and get close for grenades or tnt, could make it fun. i also take an engineer in every fully leveled squad so i am covered, plus they would make anti-tank useful in other squads and at close range.

[Myrm1don]

Yeah they still have to get out for Tracks and Barrels and such.

So disabling can be as effective as killing, or even MORE effective

Tanks pop all too easily (as in completely detonating), This is another way to do it. I would like to see alot more crews abandoning tanks…rather than just blowing up completely one shot

[Naohmcete]

if they implement this,I will askfor mines

[rrangwoo]

Instead of removing tnt, make tnt more effective on breaking engi building such as barbed wire and sandbag and map buildings such as walls and debris.

[Kriegerfaust007]

you still need to give average infantry a way to deal with tanks, or do you mean on top of its infantry tank killing power

[Ghostmaxi]

The japanese also had a magnetig He mine with 2 cm pen, which could also be stacked to have 3 cm pen.

[Kriegerfaust007]

https://www.bulletpicker.com/pdf/Japanese-Land-Mines.pdf. its more a limpet mine than grenade Forlorn Hope - Suicide Weapon: Japanese Suicidal Snipers and Anti-Tank Squads. You should be able to throw or shoot a grenade a type 99 if not dropped or placed would stand on edge and not one of the faces