Thats not 100% what im saying. Neither tank can pen each other at normal (for this game anyway) tank ranges, and yet when they BOTH close within distance of each other, they can pen each other equally fine. I’ve tested this MULTIPLE times to make sure I wasnt losing my mind. Not saying I like the situation, but it’s pretty equal if you forget complaining about historical accuracy and take all the things in mind of what we have here. A LOT of the complaining I see from german tank players is that theyre basing their entire knowledge from hearsay reputation of german vehicles being feared, when in reality, they were over engineered, broke down a lot, and weren’t as good as every single person believes they were. There are MULTIPLE books written with technical data to back this up. So, yeah I would like to see some variation here, but with what we have, i’m not terribly upset with the two tanks? If I see a panzer 4, i usually decide to keep his attention for people to get the jump on him OR I close within distance where it is dangerous for BOTH of us, and hope I shoot first. Seems pretty okay to me. Definitely more so than being in the first sherman and getting one tapped by everything, even if thats “okay”
In what map are jumbos killing you from this distance? How frequently is it happening?
I find that if I spend more than a few minutes in a spot the tank killers come out of the woodwork. Before long I’m inevitably flanked by tanks or infantry or bombed from above.
There are just so many ways to kill a jumbo, and if it’s hiding in the back of the map I don’t see how hard it would be to just avoid its sight line.
Its a Jumbo dude, dont you know? Just having it on the battlefield gives -100 morale. It does not have to shoot, just be there in line of sight and it carries the US to victory!
the jumbo is mostly fine its the germans that need a tank to match it
and either fix spalling or give everyone their APHE rounds where possible
But the Germans dont really have a tank to match it
True, does that change the fact that the jumbo was designed to withstand 88mm hits from a Tiger tank? No it does not, the Panzer IV was no match for a Jumbo tank in a 1v1 fight.
The whole complaint is not coming from Wehraboos claiming the Panzer IV is under performing, instead its just the FACT that the jumbo wasnt in Normandy AND that these vehicles can not be compared.
It would be just as unbalanced as:
IS 2 vs Tiger B
T 34-85 vs Panther
Churchill vs Tiger I
Pz III vs Matilda
Pz IV F1 vs T34
SU85 vs Jagdpanther
ISU 152 vs Jagdtiger
All these exsamples here would be unbalanced IF the game sticks to realism as much as possible, because the tanks on the right were basically technology wise one step ahead, enough to make the difference between who would knock his opponent in one single hit out, and who would not.
The problem is that a lot of people do claim that the pz4 is a bad tank compared to the god tank the Jumbo is.
There is no counter argument to the point it was not at dday. Thats a fact. Problem is, they can not pull a tank that people have put their money in upgrading. Jumbo wont go anywhere so the point is correct but not possible to retrackt.
not as a direct 1:1 no since the germans never built a well armored tank with a relatively speaking dinky gun
but either the tiger or the panther would be a ok ish match to the jumbo provided you give it and the rest of the american 75’s their good APHE ammo
alternatively you could go totes crazy and add a german 88mm waffentrager for jumbo killing firepower but 0 armor
tho ideally we should replace the 75 jumbo with the 76 jumbo to save the balancing headache
If you add the Tiger the game will be broken, thats how strong that tank is.
If you add the Panther the same problem people have with the Jumbo will be reversed and people have the same problem with the Panther the other way around.
Point is, there is not something to evenly match it. Currently US has a slightly stronger tank and Germans have better equipment on the other aspects of the game. I think that is fine tbh. Jumbo can still be stopped by a lot of stuff.
Devs have already confirmed the Panther will be in game at Normandy. So now its just going to be the opposite way around since the Panther can literally one hit the Jumbo frontally
Jup, I am curious what will happen on the US side of things. That would mean on each front the Germans are better. So something has to roll towards the US
Don’t worry, I’m sure the wehraboos will keep crying that their planes are worse and other stupid shit like they currently do.
Man u are just in denial now, you being bad at the game and shooting at the frontal plate of the jumbo doesen’t make the tank unkillable, u just ignored every single comment saying that and kept saying the same bs over and over and if u read my message again maybe paying more attention u will notice that i said that the german gets better smg at the start, u need eons to unlock the thompson
Okay cool, you have the Panther coming thats gonna one shot jumbos, now the USA needs a tank to one shot panthers. Its gonna be a back and forth here, theres no true “equal” Germany gets better equipment starting out and tank rounds, and america gets the fucking Jumbo. 5 fucking threads every god damn day how the Germans are underpowered, just the other day I was reading a thread how the BF110 is underpowered, meanwhile it can do Initial D drift turns on a dime and the Cannon fucks the Havoc up badly, not to mention the havoc is too heavy to pull off the shit the BF110 does. Should american players start doing what youre doing in this scenario only with their Havoc vs the BF110/Ju 188?
okay, so whats gonna be the US tank to counter the panther then?
The only tanks with comparable firepower would be the firefly and the M36 Jackson, which are both problematic if you think about it.
Jackson didnt make it to the normandy in time, and the Firefly is a Brit.
Then again, the Jumbo is already not fitting to normandy, so I guess Jackson it is then…?
I mean its the Allies in Normandy, not the Americans. We already have british guns, no reason to not have some british tanks
Agree. +1
The Jumbo is behave too powerful most of the situation. Some players said: “They easily kill it with few shots” …skill+RNG etc. matters much I know, I don’t doubt it.
But I admit, Jumbo is a big challange to kill (even if you aim well, or not), moreover theres sneaky infantry you have to watch out, cause they could sabotage you face2face fight with Exp. pack 
Overall, I hope the devs will figure out some solution, that could be decent for most of our players, right?
simple the jumbo with a 76mm
the 75 jumbo is a balancing nightmare and should never have been used, to much armor against early tanks and to crap gun against later tanks
It’s not that German players are basing their knowledge on that stuff, its that the jumbo is hard to kill. Regardless what your beliefs on history are or what you know about tanks, it doesn’t change the fact that it is not able to be killed by most things frontally and can kill everything it sees from the front. I’m not just talking out of my ass either. I’ve played all tanks on BOTH sides
wow a war thunder picture. Ever wonder why the jumbo is 5.3 in war thunder while the panzer iv is 3.3-4.0, panzer iii is 3.0 and puma is 2.7?