Premium squads need a change - your opinion?

lets talk about Premium squad’s abilities to matter in the batlefield considering the current prices of them.

Part 1- Troops:

this, is a normal Non-premium squad everyone can afford to have, level it and have multiple soldier configurations into it using the upgrades menu:

and this is a premium squad:

non techtree on upgrades avaiable to fully upgrade them,and have more soldiers from diferent types.

my question is simple, isnt the premium squad inferior to the non-premium squad in this scenario or not?

Is the Premium squad heavy limited here or not?
Is the premium squad worth 40 euros considering this unbalance?
Is just worth talking about balance when a f2p player asks for it and not the only way around?

would it be possible for us to atleast have a upgrade tree on our premium squads or not?

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this is a example of a premium squad when they were released: (THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT)

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they were nerfed beyond understandable points, because:

-They where introduced in a time where most players only had bolt action rifles to fight against them
-They had a massive advantage with 35%more vitality perk
-They had an extra slot on the backpack that could bring another TnT pack or another medpack.
-They did come as 5 star soldiers pre equiped with better perks than a non premium soldier with 0 stars 0 perks.
-They could have 7 soldiers of the same type on the squad. (7 lmg’s, 7 assaulters)

WE DONT WANT NOTHING OF THAT!

no 7 smg’s or 7 lmgs.in the same squad
no vitality perk
no extra slot on the backpack that could equip a grenade or a tnt pack.
no shit like that.
None of us asked for 4 soldiers per squad of the same type and only that! ALL WE ASKED WAS THE REMOVAL OF 7 SOLDIERS FROM THE SAME TYPE AND REMOVAL OF PERKS LIKE VITALITY ONE!

we dont want advantages like that. we simply want them to have the same squad composition as non premium ones.

all we ask: only more options on techtree of the squads as a non premium squad have so we can bring more soldiers into the batle.

More than this:

Is this too insane to ask?
for this:
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will this make the game unbalanced? wtf.!

as follow: (/writen by another forum user)

– premium gunner squads: maximum 3 gunners + 4 non-gunners (maximum 7 troopers, 2 engineers, 2 radio operators, 1 sniper, 1 bomber, just like the default gunner squads).

– premium assaulter squads: maximum 4 assaulters + 3 non-assaulters (maximum 7 troopers, 2 engineers, 2 radio operators, 2 bombers, 1 sniper, 1 gunner, just like the default assaulter squads).

– premium trooper squads: maximum 9 troopers, 2 engineers, 2 radiomen, 1 sniper, 1 bomber, 1 assaulter, 1 gunner, just like the default trooper squads.

– premium engineer squads: maximum 6 troopers, 6 engineers, 1 assaulter, 2 bombers, 1 radio operator, just like the default engineer squads.
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Part 2: vehicles.

In your eyes:

is this balanced : (worth 40 euros +/-)

in comparison to this:

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-Premium squad cant have the best tanker perks
-Premium tank performs exacly the same as non premium one
-Soldiers limited to 4 stars

Same applyes to planes where a premium 109 is exacly = as a non premium one, but soldier comes as 4 star only. cant have the best perks and we cant change the soldier.

My question:
Should or shouldnt the vehicle soldiers be at 5 starts too?

Part 3 -XP gains.

Right now , a premium squad delivers 100% more xp as a benefit of using them in the batlefield.

what are they worth for after we reach last level?
as an example:

We cant gain more xp. so the premium squads , are, in a essence, 4 soldiers with a diferent weapon totaly inferior to a non-premium squad.

Can we please have a rework on premium squads???

Is just worth talking about balance when a f2p player asks for it and not the only way around?

this serious needs to be adressed! we are suporting the game and, we arent asking for unbalanced stuff or advantages!

Ps: in the near future, normal soldiers on normal non premium squads will be able to rank to “Veteran” level, alowing said soldiers to have even better perks than current 5 star alows.
this will only make them even better comparing to premium soldiers on premium squads:

rework premium squads!

part 4: unability to change primary weapons or have a secondary weapon even tho the second slot is avaiable

premium squads right now, on countrary to non premium ones, cant equip any other weapon than current have. even if a secondary slot is avaiable, no weapon can be placed there. even if they belong to the same gun group of either - troopers, assaulters - gunners etc.

As an example:

part 5: pros/cons

Premium squads on countrary to non premium squads cant:

cons:

  • cant Change soldiers
  • cant Equip any other type of primary weapon
    -cant have diferent soldier types
  • have more soldiers besides the 4 they come (assaulters, engineers, gunners)
  • change the squad composition to have either more soldiers or diferent types (for example on current 9 man premium trooper squads)
  • XP boosts, as a benefit, when the campaing are compleated are worth the same as a gherkin on the fields of france (DONT forget, that a player is alowed to buy said premium squads , after reached max level)
  • Level besides the 4 star squad, where more and more players get non premium soldiers at level 5
  • have the best perks avaiable on non premium
  • i presume, they wont be able to level to “Veteran” because they are stuck at level 4.
  • expensive for what they are.
  • limited ability to adapt on the batlefield. (no bombers, no engineers, no mg’s on the same assault squad for ex.)
  • Overall inferior to non payed squad…

Benefits:
-100xp on early campaign levels.

  • Counts only as an extra , inferior squad on the campaings.
  • another type of squad avaiable to deploy.
  • Unique weapons / uniforms

Please add any type of feedback.

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why again premium squads should be equal or better than the regural ones?

they should be better than currently are, but shouldnt be better than other squads. they should play on the same level of upgrades.
so, they should have similar performances on playercount size.

right now, they are inferior on the batlefield if we compare them to a fully upgraded normal squad squad.

at the end of the campaign, xp rates they give also means nothing. they will be (are right now for me) 4 squad soldiers with nothing special besides a gun in them.

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I agree than rn they are too weak. But why they should be at least equal with the tech tree ones? this is my question

because all non premium squads share the same upgrade ability?
trying to make them less week?
leveling the playfield between them and non premium full upgraded squad?
make them more veratile like non premium squads are?
make them usefull after a max level as bn acchived on the campaign?
have options to run a bomber, an engineer, a lmg what ever, on a premium squad and not only 4 soldiers with 4 weapons only?
donno…

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Because you’re spending money on them, for one, and they’re absurdly expensive as is?

Good enough reason for me to ask for them to be made as good as the free squads.

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It is clear that the premium squad needs a change.
However, changing the structure of the premium squad can cause P2W problems.
For example, if the structure of the assault premium squad changes like a normal assault squad, a total of 3 assault squads can be operated.
Gunner and rifle squads as well.
Therefore, it is most reasonable to allow premium squad weapons to be used in normal squads. It seems most ideal to give up bonus experience points instead of being able to freely use weapons.

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I think it is in the common meaning of the word “Premium” - other than financial applications, it generally means - (Premium Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster)

To have something premium that is worse than what is “usually expected” is not really truth in advertising!!

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at the end of the day will be the same, you keep the same squads and also you can use the same number of squads.

more squads with more levels will come. we right now have sniper level III, so we might expect assaulters to level 3. so we will have more squads as non premium either way. its all in when.

having more options ingame isnt the issue here. the issue is the inbalance between a premium squad and a non premium variant of the same category.

non premium squads are more versatile ingame.

premium squads as they stand, are only usefull to gain extra xp. and that alone, isnt worth their money or usage in the batlefield after we reached max campaign level.

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Of course one of the purposes of premium squads back in CBT was for players to buy into early access - but that’s no longer the case, and when it was the case they were vastly better than they are now - OP in fact…

But the price hasn’t changed!

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I totally agree with what you are saying. Other squads will come later, like Sniper 3. If we just use a premium squad like a normal squad, that’s ideal.

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agreed. also, they did come totally unbalanced back then

we would run 7 smg’s with 35% more vitality and stamina versus bolt action guys.
totaly unfair then!

there is not a single reason, why they cant have the same slot numbers and techtree as a non premium counterpart!

there is no pay to win there! right now , as they stand, they are expensive for what they give back!

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yes ofc!

7 Soldiers > 4 Soldiers
AT and pioneers > all 4 assaulters
possible lvl5 soldiers > start at lvl 4

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This isnt an argument for the premium squads being better though since most premium stuff which arent P2W dont provide stuff after the grind have been achieved.

nobody is forcing you to spend those money, so…

Also lets take an extreme example. The Soviet PPD premium squad. This squad is the best SMG squad in Berlin until lvl 20 where you unlock the normal PPD. Lets say that the changes move along and this squad gets 5 lvl SMG troops and one engineer etc like the normal squad.
So lets try to fit in the shoes of a F2P player. He needs to grind to lvl 20 in the campaign, then spend hundreds of bronze orders for troops and on top of that a huge amount of bronze gun orders to get full star PPDs. Realistically this isnt visible unless someone is playing all day and on top of that play only one nation in one campaign.
I am eager to hear how in this situation a full upgraded premium squad wont be P2W since one can pay money to get it and the other possible never get a tech tree one on the same level.

lol what kind of question is that?

“Here buy our stuff! its not worth using and it will make you weaker!”

same potential is needed, not stronger than f2p and not weaker than f2p, but “different” and unique is what we want.

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prety much this.

current weapons shall be on the same level of playfield as latter unlockable counterparts.

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both of those are false. They are usefull until you grind the whole tree
Totally overpriced, but still useful

And no one is forcing you to play the game either, or post here, but here you are.

Money has ALREADY been paid for premium squads - and no I’m not going to bother to buy any more and indded would have to advise that no-one buys them at all in their current form.

But more importantly, They JUST MAKE NO SENSE

Like has been said:

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and after that?.
as many of us did compleate multiple campaigns?

are they still worth 40 euros against a full level non premium squad? is that balanced?

coz you know. i could still level a full campaign and then buy a premium squad. are they worth then?

one option, a serious one, its the ability to buy premium squads WHEN and only the soldier unlocks the f2p weapon counterpart on the campaign.

i could only buy the ppd premium squad, when, i unlocked the free version first.

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P2W is a term used when free users cannot beat paid users. Even normal squad can have better specs than the premium squad.
If so, can premium accounts be accepted? Is it P2W because you can unlock weapons twice as fast?

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