ever heard of burst fire? you can just as accurately shoot 3 bullets on longer range with pps43 just as well as with mp40. unless you are shooting full auto past 65m with mp40?
also this is calculator based on datamined stats from enlisted and is including all stats like damage dropoff on different ranges etc.
ffs does nobody know what dispersion is. you are behaving like dispersion is absolute offset from center that will always be worse than the other gun. that is exactly reason why i am showing those targets to mythbust that 0.01 dispersion or 0.04 dispersion extra is so much worse when weapon has 0.70 dispersion.
That depends on many factors aside from just RoF such as recoil, dispersion, dispersion direction, construction of the gun itself, weight all combined into one.
Im quite sure I did not ask any of that.
Also the construction of weapon hardly is a factor ingame, which is what were speaking of.
Quite sure PPsh wouldnt be stormtrooper lazorblastor9000 if it was.
like i said brain dead response. that dispersion is 1cm higher on 100m distance. considering normal distribution that dispersion is comes ~0.5cm difference on 100m distance between both guns. yes there is mighty difference in dispersion.
I said RoF doesnât act alone in the control of a firearm, thatâs my answer to it. Thereâs no definite âYes, this rate is the thresholdâ number.
Ergonomics is infact a factor in the game. Thatâs why the Kiraly 39M is just slightly better than the 43M despite being the same gun. A fixed stock is typically better than a folding one, in this case. This can also be applied for the Beretta M38 and the numerous simplified variants the game possesses. Which furthermore is an arguing point against the OPâs desire to move the 40 round M38 to BR 2 but the PPS43 to BR 3.
MP40: 70
PPS-42: 74
PPS-43: 71
âOnly 1cm higherâ from 100m distance? Thatâs an absolute sniper rifle difference in dispersion, thereâs no way the PPS is that accurate, let alone any SMG in the game.
Not sure where the condescending tone came from.
are you having trouble understanding english? higher is comparative thus means that i compared it with something. in this case i compared it with mp40, so there is sniper difference between mp40 and pps43 in terms of accuracy, but you fail to understand that.
And so far you have failed to mention single high rof smg ingame that is uncontrollable.
Infact in many cases these high rof sovjet smgs are way better than theyr slower german counterparts.
Nope, no it aint. Its simply to make differency between 2 guns that are pretty much the same.
For example the MP40 was 5 star in moscow in previous game and 4 in berlin.
Same gun slightly different.
I assume this is yet again some kind of âIRLâ argument, but yes you can try out yourself at shooting range. Only limiting factor is between chair and keyboard.
I still fail to understand how the PPS is supposedly an absolute death laser even at long ranges that the MP-40 excels at and thus needs to be BR3 with the other BR2 despite your âsame dispersionâ claim.
The MP-40 still has better dispersion and less damage dropoff at range and thatâs not going to change.
Because I just said itâs not determined solely on RoF⌠Iâm not listing them because I already know thatâs going to start more arguments than itâll solve, not because âYou just canât come up with anyâ.
I can come up with several German SMGs that prove the opposite.
The fact bayonets give you a hidden recoil buff is already proof this infact existsâŚ
Care to show me your two different MP-40s in your arsenal, then?
âŚYou realize thatâs based on the level they were obtainable in the campaign, right?
yet cant mention single high rof smg that is uncontrollable
well you said it yourself
care to point out which german smgs has less recoil & dispersion compared to ppsh41 ?
So why PPSh has best stats considering its quite far from ergonomic gun ?
Quite hard since they were deleted during merge.
Unless level 11 is different of level 11 in berlin I dont see any differency here.
Oh nvm, it was lvl 8 unlock at berlin, definitely explains the differency among with differenet ergonomics.
Funny how that wasnât your original question at all. Not only this, but thatâs a Tier 5 SMG, why else do you suppose itâs Tier 5⌠the same Tier as 5 German assault rifles whereas they only have one SMG? So what Iâm getting at is the PPSH-41 being Tier 5 is âtoo OPâ? Correct me if Iâm wrong.
To answer the original, unaltered question, the MP-35 having insane recoil control, Thompson-level hitpower for no reason whatsoever, the MP-38 having less hitpower than the 40 despite being the sole difference with one being stamped and the other milled, the Beretta M38 with its super controllable recoil and tiny dispersion at Tier 1âŚ
Probably because itâs Tier 5, and has reasons as to hence why itâs ranked there?
Interesting how going back on version history on the resources document proves this is just blatantly false.
Pretty much since still you failed to mention a single high rof smg that is uncontrollable.
Has highest rate of fire.
well you can compare it to kiraly
I dont really think I ever said anything was too OP, if I did you can quote me where I did.
Also sovjets has AK-47 in tier5 ( bun intended ) just so they dont suffer.
Anyway, subject wasnt assault rifles.
mp35 actually has more recoil than both pps and worse recoil.
Same goes for ppd38/40 & 40. With that tiny exception ppd38/40 has 1 more horizontal than mp35.
4 & 5.
20rounder beretta also has more dispersion & recoil than above mentioned sovjet guns.
pps42 being exception with 0.02 more dispersion.
nah i just want to bust your myth about pps being more inaccurate than mp40. they are both similarly inaccurate and neither has laser precision. that 1cm maximum dispersion on 100m or 0.5cm under normal distribution on 100m doesnt make absolutely any difference between both guns accuracy. that is one of the reasons why i was calling dispersion difference irrelevant cause both guns will either miss or hit at same rate on distant targets.
graph provided by @TUSUPOLISI69 was wrong cause he used bugged calculator and this one is correct, so your damage drop off only makes difference between 50m and 60m.
and this is TTK
mp40 only has advantage in 50-60m range for TTK.
yes mp41r is better than ppd34, ppd34/38, pps42, pps43, ppk43âŚ
Iâm not playing this âcompare this compare thatâ game constantly. I swear, you wonât be satisfied until I give a thorough review of every single Soviet and German gun in the game at this point.
Where did I compare it to the PPS in that quote? I merely stated the MP-35 has insane recoil control on top of having the hitpower of a Thompson for no reason whatsoever. As far as Iâm aware, no other Soviet SMG at Tier 3 or anywhere has that same characteristic.
Blatantly false, M38 Beretta has .61 dispersion whereas almost every other Soviet SMG has dispersions in the .70-.80 range.
Where did I say that? You asked why it has the best stats, I answered it has reasons for being there with ergonomics being a part of it. Also, do you not see the rifle-style stock on that thing or notice how the drum-mag is held on for control of the weapon?
A fandom wiki that says âPlease be aware of actual stars of weapons may different from those showed here. Thus, data may different from showed here! All items from Gold tickets, premiums are all full star items!â
vs the official Enlisted resources using the âPrevious versionsâ feature.
Again, this is blatantly false information when the Official stats are stating otherwise.
Except it is and the stats prove it, you just refuse to acknowledge it.
maybe problem with reading? i am saying that there is absolutely no difference in that cause they will both be similarly inaccurate. 1cm on maximum dispersion difference on 100m when you have 70cm maximum inaccuracy makes absolutely no difference, nor will that 1cm make either gun better or worse. if you include normal distribution of shots that difference wont be 1cm but 0.5cm. is that noticeable difference in accuracy?
As I already stated, you wonât be satisfied until I thoroughly review and compare every single gun you bring up. This topic was about the Beretta M38 and PPS43 and yet you yourself have already brought up numerous other guns that are completely different.
âAll stats betterâ the only stat thatâs âbetterâ is the reload due to the magazine being different and dispersion that I canât answer. One gun having better dispersion, thatâs not comparable to the example of the MP-35 I gave at all that possesses extreme differences from its counterparts.
I see the point just flew by you.
I shouldnât have to tell you how itâs personal preference of holding the drum mag or how you can hold it just short of the drum.
I already stated thatâs due to the MP40 being unlocked at different campaign stages, it has nothing to do with the fact theyâre different guns, as you tried to claim.
One only needs to scroll up to see my evidence⌠As I said, youâre just refusing to acknowledge it.
I did indeed say that theyâre only going to create more arguments, what part of that donât you understand?
As soon as I list the ones I have in mind, youâre going to argue saying either âThatâs just a skill issue/Nuh uh, thatâs controllable!â And will want me to digress into a mess of different guns I have zero patience for.
Literally the same stats aside from reload speed for obvious reasons and dispersion, which I said before I cannot explain.
That is far beyond âall statsâ, do you really need me to tell you this obvious observation?
If youâre not confident enough to conclude why Soviet troops held this thing by the drum mag and have to ask, you probably shouldnât be debating it in the first place.
??? Theyâre not different guns and thatâs that. An MP-40 in Berlin is the same as one in MoscowâŚ
