Please move PPS43 to BR3 and move Beretta M38 expansion magazine to BR2

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I did indeed say that they’re only going to create more arguments, what part of that don’t you understand?
As soon as I list the ones I have in mind, you’re going to argue saying either “That’s just a skill issue/Nuh uh, that’s controllable!” And will want me to digress into a mess of different guns I have zero patience for.

Unless you play with steering wheel I honestly cannot figure a single high rof smg that is uncontrollable. Including kiraly.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Literally the same stats aside from reload speed for obvious reasons and dispersion, which I said before I cannot explain.
That is far beyond “all stats”, do you really need me to tell you this obvious observation?

You do know ur supposed to look at ppsh41 stats and then Mp35 stats ? Not just one gun stats ?

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

If you’re not confident enough to conclude why Soviet troops held this thing by the drum mag and have to ask, you probably shouldn’t be debating it in the first place.

Still not answering to original question how does that increase the ergonomics of the gun.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

??? They’re not different guns and that’s that. An MP-40 in Berlin is the same as one in Moscow…

4 star / 5 star

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

That implies you only scrolled up maybe 2 posts.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I have zero patience for.

eh

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Unless you play with steering wheel I honestly cannot figure a single high rof smg that is uncontrollable. Including kiraly.

Right, so every gun in the world is controllable. Gotcha. Guns being retrofitted to have slower RoF, nobody knows why they did that. Nobody knows why the Soviets switched to 9x18 as soon as the war ended.

@TUSUPOLISI69

You do know ur supposed to look at ppsh41 stats and then Mp35 stats ? Not just one gun stats ?

You didn’t ask about the MP35, you asked about the PPSH drum mag vs the box mag in that quote chain.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Still not answering to original question how does that increase the ergonomics of the gun.

I shouldn’t have to answer such a painfully obvious question why holding a smaller stick mag isn’t better than holding a bulkier, snug-fitting drum.

@TUSUPOLISI69

4 star / 5 star

That’s not a different gun, that’s a different UI icon…

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Right, so every gun in the world is controllable. Gotcha. Guns being retrofitted to have slower RoF, nobody knows why they did that. Nobody knows why the Soviets switched to 9x18 as soon as the war ended.

not sure why you keep coming with these IRL arguments, since anyone with IQ above room temperature would figure out this game has nothing to do with IRL other than names of weapons.

Also no they didnt.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

You didn’t ask about the MP35, you asked about the PPSH drum mag vs the box mag in that quote chain.

This was reply to your argument of Mp35 being good in BR3.
I gave you the ppsh41 that pretty much has best stats of all smgs.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I shouldn’t have to answer such a painfully obvious question why holding a smaller stick mag isn’t better than holding a bulkier, snug-fitting drum.

But please do. Genuinely intrested.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

That’s not a different gun, that’s a different UI icon…

Quite sure they make quite significant differency.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Are you serious?

yes

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Do I really need to be one to tell you the guns are based off their historical performance?

I think you earlier provided some screenshots about the subject.
But if you believe such after playing the game, ive got free money for you.
Im actually nigerian astronaut stuck in space I just need 10k to get back I ensure I will pay back 10x more.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Or do you think the devs just made all these guns and their stats up?

They definitely made up the stats.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Oh okay, so the Makarov 9x18mm cartridge and the subsequent 9x21mm cartridge is fake, too. The Soviets never replaced the Tokarev or the 7.25mm round, I just made that up.

Nope, they just didnt switch to it right after war as you claimed.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

There’s a button that goes to the quoted post, that’s exactly what you asked, nothing about the MP35. I stated how the MP-35 has insane recoil control on top of having more hitpower for no reason. No Soviet SMG has that same kind of characteristic of having more hitpower and better recoil than its fellow counterparts.

And for this exact BS claim I gave you PPSh41 that has best smg stats of the game at BR3.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Smaller stick mag/bulkier, snug-fitting drum isn’t a hint?

No. Please do explain how drum is magically improving ergonomics of the gun.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

The official resources literally state the MP40 is the same exact gun.

please do provide them.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I’m convinced you’re just resorting to trolling at this point as I’ve made my point, so I’m honestly just about to block this convo and end it.

Funny, as for your own sake I was hoping you are trolling.

[robihr]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Are you serious? Do I really need to be one to tell you the guns are based off their historical performance? Or do you think the devs just made all these guns and their stats up?

oh they arent made up? really? why is pps42 recoil multiplier 0.3, but pps43 multiplier 0.4. why is ppsh41 box dispersion 0.21 and ppsh41 drum dispersion 0.70? is it well known gun knowledge that different magazine adds dispersion?
or why is damage for same round at same speed so different? why is some smg damage 6.7 for tokarev, while in other it is 6.6 or 6.4 for same cartridge that is launched at same speed from those guns?

btw you still havent provided proof or calculations that pps43 has 50% more vertical recoil than pps42 despite ergonomically being really similar.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Strawman argument, said nothing about it being the best or worst SMG at BR3.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I stated how the MP-35 has insane recoil control on top of having more hitpower for no reason. No Soviet SMG has that same kind of characteristic of having more hitpower and better recoil than its fellow counterparts.

Except the earlier mentioned PPSh41 at BR3 has better recoil charasterics, least dispersion of all smgs.
And top of that faster TTK under 45m.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I literally stated how.

Please do explain further since ive seen lot of forward grips for modern assault rifles and none of them are shaped like drums.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

You literally posted them yourself, what kind of question is this?

You mean one being 4 star and another being 5 star ?
You do understand differency between 4 and 5 do you ?

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

You’ve already confirmed my suspicion, so.

I still cant decide, lake tardicaca seems the obvious one but havent made my mind yet.

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

@robihr

oh they arent made up? really? why is pps42 recoil multiplier 0.3, but pps43 multiplier 0.4. why is ppsh41 box dispersion 0.21 and ppsh41 drum dispersion 0.70? is it well known gun knowledge that different magazine adds dispersion?

Yet again with the strawman arguments.

@robihr

btw you still havent provided proof or calculations that pps43 has 50% more vertical recoil than pps42 despite ergonomically being really similar.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Except the earlier mentioned PPSh41 at BR3 has better recoil charasterics, least dispersion of all smgs.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Please do explain further since ive seen lot of forward grips for modern assault rifles and none of them are shaped like drums.

Yet again explained all of this in detail already and again I have to state how you both ignored what I said. Why should I answer when you won’t listen or read what I say?

I’m not obligated to give answers any longer since everything I say is ignored anyway.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

I’m not obligated to give answers any longer since everything I say is ignored anyway.

Irony is that you havent exactly answered to anything.

[robihr]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Yet again with the strawman arguments.

and what exactly is strawman argument about exact values for ingame stats that devs made up?

or you can actually provide proof that guns becomes more inaccurate with different magazine? i think you discovered new kind of physics so i think you are eligible for nobel awards…

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

@robihr

and what exactly is strawman argument about exact values for ingame stats that devs made up?

or you can actually provide proof that guns becomes more inaccurate with different magazine? i think you discovered new kind of physics so i think you are eligible for nobel awards…

[robihr]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Yet again explained all of this in detail already and again I have to state how you both ignored what I said. Why should I answer when you won’t listen or read what I say?

you provide non answers.
proceeds to blame people for not reading his non answers when confronted on those points.

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

@robihr

you provide non answers.
proceeds to blame people for not reading his non answers when confronted on those points.

Of course they aren’t answers.
You established the fact you refused to read them and thus ignored them.

They aren’t answers if you don’t acknowledge them to begin with.
Blocking this convo.

[robihr]

exactly what kind of asnwer did you provide for dispersion values of ppsh41? i seriously want to know.
or for different damage values of tokarev round despite same muzzle velocity?

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Of course they aren’t answers.
You established the fact you refused to read them and thus ignored them.

Question how does drum improve said “ergonomics”
“OmgroflmaoBBQbbcRoflSkate if you have to ask how soviets something something roflmaobbq da da understanding weapons”

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

They aren’t answers if you don’t acknowledge them to begin with.

No you sir are on your own level.

[robihr]

@robihr

exactly what kind of asnwer did you provide for dispersion values of ppsh41? i seriously want to know.

oh you dont know? but somehow devs made all values from historical performance of the guns?