New class: Guerrilla

[noktinnky_noktin]

See at least in my version I choose for them to not be able to cap point but yea my version was more OP in some way this I admit

[Luvs2spooge]

@GeneralBrus

The devs ended up nerfing AP mines due to them being miserable to play against

I would say nerfing artillery is far worse then AP mines for me. I hardly get killed by AP mines anymore since I started avoiding places people place them, but it’s hard to avoid non stop artillery that you have no idea where it’s falling.

[Andris42]

@Luvs2spooge

it’s hard to avoid non stop artillery

That’s why we recommended the military application of umbrellas back then…

Suggestion: Umbrella item

I think it would be nice if we could have an Umbrella Item. An Item that could go in either a second weapon or backpack slot that would protect us from all the BS in this game. The non-stop Artillery, Mortars hiding in the gray zone, and of course the silly Aircraft spam with non-stop reloads. All this frustrating crap raining from the sky. [UmbrellaSoldier]

Surely they got fixed the explosives spam since, or not?
At least there are no small area objectives in the wide open, pointless to defend in a bombardment when the bombs are selectively killing only one side… Just kidding, it’s Enlisted.

[Edward55418]

i always played this game like this
dont need a special class for that

i would be more efective if the squad concept was removed
but

and the grey stupid zones…

[Veekay45]

@GiltBurrito7238

the thing that immediately put me off was the fact that we’d have civilian partisans running around the map where they don’t make sense

@GiltBurrito7238

But then I was thinking that in a way these “guerillas” also represent raiders and commandos,

So how would German “commandos” in top hats and VS armbands appear in Kahif village?

I still think this is another ridiculous cash grab simultaneously again spitting on atmosphere and immersion of this game, no?

[robihr]

@Luvs2spooge

it’s hard to avoid non stop artillery that you have no idea where it’s falling.

actually it is easy… you just need to look at minimap every so often…

[Luvs2spooge]

This Guerilla warfare thing will be perfect for my girlfriends 15 year old son. I let him jump on and play some games just so I can get the silver. Anyway, he is one of these that really doesn’t pay any attention to the objectives, he just runs amuck looking for people to shoot. He’s not bad, but would be better if I could get him to go after the game objectives. Of course, he seems to think he can kill a tank with his SMG because I constantly see him shooting at them and telling him, that ain’t gonna hurt that tank, but he keeps trying. Anyway, this sounds more like up his alley.

[babybillygaming]

@GeneralBrus

Its funny how mines are pretty weak now - but still wipe an entire squad when placed on a rally.

I’ve had squads survive land mines on rallies, admittedly only half of the squad survived but it’s still much better

[Atomik_Invader]

There’s gonna be free TT and Event squads too my guy

[Atomik_Invader]

Honestly hoping they add a cooldown time to defensive zones to prevent this. Like you said, it’s already an issue

[DrCatsville]

Maybe just maybe
Yougoslav partisans for soviets?
Pretty please?)

[Andris42]

@Atomik_Invader

Honestly hoping they add a cooldown time to defensive zones to prevent this

So

1. add gray zone to prevent spawn camping
2. add guerrillas to prevent gray zone camping
3. with #2 probably break spawn camping AND also the current way of capturing objectives
4. add cooldown to defensive objectives, unnaturally slowing down the game like in confrontation mode (which I really don’t like), just to fix one of the two new issues
5. …
6. profit?

I still think that temporarily and partially opening up gray zone where tank camps is a less harmful way, but partisans can actually bring in some ideas for new game modes, some kind of ambush and steal/stealth, maybe very different from current Enlisted and maybe PvE but still fun.

[Atomik_Invader]

Like I said, bumrushing objectives is already an issue bow. This is not a new issue.

[Edward55418]

is it an issue ?
what about the bunch of useless bots that follow you ?

[Luvs2spooge]

@Andris42

That’s why we recommended the military application of umbrellas back

Maybe if I make sure all soldiers are wearing helmets that would help.

[Andris42]

@Atomik_Invader

bumrushing objectives is already an issue

It happens rarely in my matches, maybe on BR2/Join any mode the matches are more casual? For me it was such a rare thing in last month that preventing it would cause more harm. I’m curious to see whether the guerrillas will be some new best squad changing the gameplay or we’re just overreacting.

[Atomik_Invader]

Honestly, right now I doubt they’ll change much. I think it’ll be like APCs where everyone (myself included) though it was gonna be this big gamebreaking change, but really the game is overall pretty much identical.

We’ll see though, I could be wrong

[Conscript_Joe]

@Andris42

I’m curious to see whether the guerrillas will be some new best squad changing the gameplay or we’re just overreacting.

Pretty much…

I see ppl are afraid of 2 things.
First, that those will be able to spawn camp. While a legitimate concern, I think devs already thought of it as they answered some questions above: new class will NOT be able to go near the enemy spawn. In grey zone yes, but there will still be a limit, around the spawn.

Secondly, that these guys won’t push objectives…
Which is a silly concern imo because they are the same guys who:

• hate snipers. They never contribute according to them.
• hate mortars. They never contribute according to them.
• hate CAS pilots. They never contribute according to them.
• hate radiomen. They never contribute according to them.
• hate fighter pilots. They never contribute according to them.
• hate tanks (to a degree), because they remain in grey zone and They never contribute according to them.
• hate rider class. They never contribute according to them.

…

Only thing that’s left would be engineers, assaulters, AT guys and driver class. They consider riflemen as filler.

It’s a big chunk of the game they dislike imo. There’s more to the game than just pushing w all the time, plenty of different fun things to experience and it’s why I believe Enlisted is fun. A rich and varied experience.

But that is my opinion. I don’t think those will be meta, nor useless. I just think they could be funny to use.

[robihr]

well i have mention few times that they need to add lockdown on all modes so you cant start capturing in first minute or two. simply copy confrontation lockdown mechanism into other modes…

[robihr]

@Conscript_Joe

While a legitimate concern, I think devs already thought of it as they answered some questions above: new class will NOT be able to go near the enemy spawn. In grey zone yes, but there will still be a limit, around the spawn.

and i call BS on that statement from devs. unless they redesign all maps, they have no mechanism to prevent spawn camping. even now you have lots of maps where you have clear visibility to enemy spawn point or spawn exit choke point from grey zone and/or enemy playable area. do you really think that if you allow 50 or 100m penetration into grey zone that this situation will not get worse on even more maps?

only way how they can possibly “solve” spawn camping this is to designate invulnerability zone from which you can shoot enemy that is spawn camping, but that would be even bigger BS.