How often did you need a gun to kill? Or an antitank weapon? All weapons in this game should kill—otherwise, they’re not weapons. Each has its own purpose, and multiple ways to use them (not just one way, the way that YOU like).
Sometimes, I’ll use antitank weapons to kill infantry—just because I feel like it. “OMG, this use of an antitank weapon is uncalled for. It’s toxic. It needs to be nerfed.” Snowflakes keep falling on my head…
Yeah, and unlike mines, almost everything has downsides and/ or is limited.
Unless Grandmaster Landmine finally enlights me on those supposed limits and downsides of mines of course
The downside of mines for you is that you don’t know how to use them properly, nor do you understand how to create countermeasures for them—thus, you will continue to die from them and expect the game to change for you. I’m guessing you have a lot of “participation trophies” from your childhood.
And thank you for recognizing the talent: “Grandmaster Landmine.” You don’t mind if I use this as my new name in game do you? I don’t want to get sued for copyright infringement…
So… nothing?
Really, can you come up with anything else than boring-ass ad hominem? They are not even good. If case would be so solid for you, there should be more than that.
Aw, come on… They’re a little good.
Besides, “Grandmaster Landmine” already provided you with the downside of AP mines—you just didn’t recognize it as such: "Before entering a cap point, look for enemy mines and shoot them out. A second solution is to throw a grenade to explode any enemy mines before you enter. That’s a proper solution! I’m sure if I spent a little more time thinking about it, I could probably come up with more solutions, but I think I’ve made my point.
So you see, AP mines are not the invulnerable super weapon that you make them out to be. You choose your own death by AP mine when you fail to use countermeasures that are available to you.
" You may leave when you can snatch the pebble from my hand, grasshoppah…"
Strawmen. Was not my point.
Pretty sure most kills are from bots that cannot even recognize or destroy mine.
Impressive, wow.
But I surely get lectured by someone who cant even get positive K/D on his own but lecturers about skill.
this is exactly how it should have been handled. AP mines werent OP, they are just broken cause enemy can trigger them, but friendly player can walk over whole minefield without triggering them. cherry on top is that if that mine explodes with friendly and enemy player on top of it, only enemy player will take damage making it even more frustrating.
This is a little off topic, but let’s assume you are correct. What exactly does this mean:
Even if I had a 0.1 k/d from all other weapons in the game combined, it has absolutely nothing to do with the facts that I’ve stated about AP mines.
k/d in this game has little to do with winning—most of the time. If you don’t cap, you don’t win. So that’s where my focus is: Capping points. This, of course, means I spend a great deal of my time as an engineer. Why? No spawn points, no capping. No capping, no winning. How do you help to secure a cap point: AP mines.
I wasn’t lecturing about skill, I was informing you about tactics that you are woefully unaware of. And, now that I’ve made you aware of them… you refuse to recognize them as valid tactics and continue to argue that everyone else should change except you.
This is the most important point: If you’re correct and I only get my kills from AP mines, I believe that makes me more than a “Grandmaster Landmine(r),” it makes me an AP mining GOD—which means I’m an expert in my given field and you should listen to me when I speak about the subject of AP mines given my advanced, superior knowledge So, bow before me non-AP mining peasant. It is time for you to accept me as your AP mining GOD—the one true god. And don’t forget to put money in the basket so our coven can purchase AP mines for future battles! 
Bring back friendly.fire please.
At least on all High Explosive
Unless you basically say “skill issue” while not having skill on your own, which is kind of ironic. So far, a lot of mine defenders had/ have bad K/D stats, which kind of makes it obvious why they defend them.
And if you bleed tickets, your team will lose as well unless you are defender.
If you waste tanks, your team will lose, because the sole purpose of tanks is to kill, same applies to planes or mortar.
You kinda need to kill anyway to clear objectives etc.
And last but not least: Killing in this game is easy because 95% of kills are Tesla bots. So if people already fail to not struggle against the Tesla AI, I somehow do not see the justification for the high ground to lecture us about mines… or anything for that matter.
And in general… if you would die less to mines, your K/D would improve, making K/D kinda important in form of making the thing tangible.
So, tactics and skill have no connection? Okidoki, makes 100% sense.
(Also makes you wonder how bad your other tactics are but whatever)
No, it is just pathetic for several reasons with the most obvious one being that bots do not counter mines, I don’t think they are even able to see them. So your error “tactic” suggestion is not only ironic but also pointless because most kills come from bots and mines (and, if also, wire) cannot be countered by bots without help from the player. Meanwhile, they can attack tanks and even planes on their own (or at least try to). And spaming mines is just exploit like it was with suicide cycle or currently with premium vehicles cyclers or SFs that on top is just low skill effort defended by people with low skill sorry “tactic”.
So wow, you manage to kill dumb bots with spam stuff they cannot even try to counter. How difficult. Sounds closer to this participation trophy you refer to.
I met so many mine experts defending this shit now, but at least they were not that dumb and unfunny. Really, what is going on with bad engineer mains and mines?
Lol learn to adapt, sucker. Stop changing the status quo because you cannot change. Use “valid tactics”.
Dude, you have no valid arguments because you don’t present any justifiable facts. At best, you have a word salad—just a bunch of words glued together (mone like a jumbled mess). For example, you fail to realize that skills and tactics are two completely different things. Tactics are things that you do, while skills are things that you do well. You could know tactics, but perform them poorly; but if you have skills, you can’t perform them poorly—otherwise, you don’t have them.
Yes, you can try to bleed tickets to win; however, it’s a poor strategy to rely on. It’s much better to push hard and push fast & cap points—and use kills as a backup. If you fail at killing all your enemies, you have no backup at the end of the game.
From what you said, it sounds like you don’t think the engineers are important in this game—which further defines how clueless you are about strategy and tactics. All you do is go on about running and gunning, k/d, and killing. This game is not a team deathmatch. If you don’t build rallies you don’t win.
So anyway, we’re done here. You ignore logic, have no basic knowledge about strategy and tactics, and your arguments aren"t arguments at all since they don’t contain any facts—just a bunch of words thrown together that make up your false belief system.
Good luck with your k/d, I know it’s important to you. Why? I have no idea because you can literally complete an entire game without making a single kill as long as you cap every point—and win! Hard to believe, but it’s true. And that’s a FACT!
Because your counters to previous facts are dumb.
Using mines has disadvantage because they are not indestructible and shooting mines is “tactic”. This is beyond stupidity and completely ignores the point of people about mines. Not to mention that you completely ignore the fact that AI cant counter mines at all.
But nah dont worry, use “tactic” in form of shooting because they are not indestructiblr.
And that is according to someone who calls shooting and throwing grenades at mines tactic.
Is shooting bots also tactic now?
It is literally the only way for defenders to win Invasion, Train, Bomb and Assault. That or waiting 30min for the match to be over.
And I see the tactic expert prefers to wait 30mins instead of killing attackers. How tactical.
Oh and Defenders cant bleed tickets because they have unlimited tickets but Attackers still have to kill them to advance and in Confrontation killing is part of the way to win the game because you can either win by capturing all points or bleeding tickets (that or waiting half an hour again for the tactical experts).
Only a shame that this does not work for Defenders that well.
And keep dying trying to cap while defenders are all inside CP without killing or killing planes and tanks that halt your advance and kiml tickets must be some pacifist tactic I guess.
What backup?
No, I just dont waste half of the match building shit while the enemy is trolling the team.
People want rallies and maybe AA guns against planes, everything else is just for fun or getting more kills for yourself.
Well, princess. Someone has to clear and capture the objective for you because you cannot apparently, too busy building a camp and infest it with mines.
Except for Defenders and Confrontation.
No shit, but I stop at rallies and dont build a camp nobody needs at the back.
Defenders are inside cps and dont let you cap? Dont worry. Use tactic to capture it anyway and if that somehow does not work, let other people do the work. Isnt that freeloading though? Nah, it must be tactic.
And then build a camp because a rally isnt enough.
We are so done that not only did you write an entire wall, but also made two paragraphs afterwards.
What a tactic.
The purpose of landmines is defense
All it takes is a grenade to destroy them
A squad can deploy 3 to 27 grenades but can only deploy 9 mines.
I believe that anyone who is subjectively willing to destroy a mine instead of running to the forum crying after stepping on one knows what to do.
Most of the time, KD just symbolizes the mud pit that has been crawling for a long time.
Most of the time, only a few players can slaughter the anti-intellectual groups on the opposite side like normal people.
And their teammates were massacred by the normal people on the opposite side just like the anti-intellectual groups on the opposite side.
Only on rare occasions can there be a so-called meat grinder where both parties are excellent.
If the so-called tactics or skills refer to being like you, almost only staying on the vehicle, as long as you can grab the vehicle, you will never support the attack and defense on the ground.
Then I guess you’re one of the worst
Robots suck against anything (no matter what they’re against)
Even if someone shoots them repeatedly with a semi-automatic pistol, they can be easily killed without any retaliation.
The victims of landmines are mostly anti-intellectual groups
Because they will continue to walk in and commit suicide without any countermeasures.
If using explosives to kill enemies efficiently and AI is considered a low skill
So isn’t using a gun to kill people efficiently also a low-skilled behavior?
Because you just use your best or favorite equipment or behaviors to massacre enemies and AI on the ground.
Go forward. Shoot. Change to the next target until all bullets are fired. Reload. Repeat.
Is this called skill?
The so-called adapting to the environment should not mean enduring the unreasonable and ridiculous cries and discrimination caused by the officials, which destroys the gameplay and makes the balance worse.
Guerrilla is literally the sickest thing ever
They say they want to protect the anti-intellectual groups and weaken the equipment, mechanisms and gray areas that can easily kill them.
Then a super team was launched that could suppress the anti-intellectual groups at the rebirth point.
Most of the equipment and mechanism weakening in the past are just the product of the incompetent crying and discrimination of anti-intellectual groups and Brahmins.
Yeah And I am pretty sure that those grenades could have been used elsewhere than to destroy SniperWolf1945s thousand mines, not to mention that it requires your bots to stay alive.
Also does not work with smoke grenades, never tested it with fire-based grenades.
And I believe that anyone who doesnt cry that DF made them learn to not crash their plane always knew how to properly use planes and not abuse mechanics.
And that is of course coming from Rocket Man, the Man who manages to die 15 to 30 times per match constantly .
Really weird, that the people with the worst K/Ds or at least high death countd cant tell enough that K/D does not matter.
Really makes me wonder why they use tanks and planes if their main purpose is to destroy stuff.
And apparently the pro-miners and Rocket Men cant without spam and abusing mechanics because killing Tesla bots is really hard, let alone flying a plane properly.
Skill and tactic I assume.
Hard words for someone who constantly cycled in planes to get four kills or so per death until DF denied him doing that.
At least I know that you can also fly upwards with a plane, which I guess is only possible if you are Rocket Man or Grandmaster Mine.
Please tell me more how your suicide crashes and four death per crash helped the team to advance and how gratefully Attackers were when you wasted 400 tickets on your own or more.
Also, I am pretty sure killing like ober a dozent of vehicles and plenty of infantry without dying like 15 to 30 times has no effect on the battlefield because we all know that you dont need to kill in this game.
Yet, they can drive tanks and shoot at planes but not at mines.
And AI is part of the game and makes up 90% of your kills.
And? At least they can kill that dude.
Again, 90% of the people on battlefield and kills are bots. I know it is hard for you to accept that you need to crash kill bots to get kills but that is reality.
Well, apparently using planes like planes is considered non efficient.
And yes, AI kills are low effort, I dont know why you still question that one even after you admit how bad they are.
Apparently it is according to you if it is a sniper, BA rifle or a plane that doesnt crash.
Looking at the pro miners, arguable yes.
Again, nice morale highground while conplaining that DF penalized the Rocket Man show.
Not the topic but okay.
You all know that 9 Chengdu in this game is AI
Could it be that the target of the massacre will change based on your behavior?
Everyone is killing AI
No matter who chooses how to fight, it is the AI that gets the most killed.
But you regard the group massacre of AI that does not conform to your ideas as a low-skilled behavior. This is something that does not fit the above argument.
If killing AI = low skill in your eyes
So a player like you who only stays on 4 vehicles and refuses to actively participate in ground combat is just another person who abuses vehicles and has low skills.
Those who make it to the top 3 are also low-skilled
Because everyone is killing AI
So how do you rationalize your behavior?
It’s a pity
Most of the time, more than 70% of the thrown objects and tactical equipment have no chance to be used.
Because more than 80% of AIs die before their operators can replace soldiers (especially anti-intellectual groups)
And the operator may not have the opportunity to throw
You only need 1 grenade to destroy almost all mines within the explosion range
But the anti-intellectual crowd does not understand the need and practicality of this behavior
They would rather get blown up than try to protect themselves (whose problem?)
This is a way to play
It’s like you almost only stay on 4 vehicles and refuse to actively participate in ground combat.
Will anyone accuse you of not supporting the ground attack and just watching the ground waiting to die?
Suicide attacks, bomb lovers or others are just a way of playing
Are they going to be called low-skilled or abusive just because they use a different playstyle than what you know?
Your idea is just a kind of discrimination based on self-superiority and conflict of ideas.
You don’t even have proof that they are actually harmful or significantly different from other gameplays.
You will only keep crying and slandering, asking for things that do not conform to your thoughts to disappear or to gain sympathy from others.
This is why I always think you are so ridiculous and pathetic
Can you prove that anyone who uses suicide tactics is worse off after losing their wheels or that their ground skills are terrible?
Or is this just a fantasy you made up to comfort yourself?
I equip all my soldiers with mines, but they have only two uses. To troll enemy rally points, and to place mines on my own rally points to prevent trolls.
I am currently happy with that. Grenade launchers, impact grenades, and white phosphorus grenades are certainly useless, but they have their uses.
In my opinion, suicide is reasonable as long as it produces reasonable benefits at a reasonable time and place at a reasonable cost.
In addition to committing suicide, they will also use infantry to support the attack and defense of ground troops.
Suicide is just a way for them to switch between different units faster
At least it is more useful than occupying a vehicle for a long time without actively replacing infantry to support ground operations.
In addition to this
I believe that the waste caused by suicides that are ineffective or inappropriate for the situation is no different from the behavior of low-ranked players, so there is no need to discriminate separately.
but
When teammates are almost all anti-intellectual groups
No one is obligated to be their nanny
Since no one wants to win, why do we still care about the cost?
Not really.
It is not hard to get a positive K/D in Enlisted, especially if you are playing shooters in general. I wouldnt consider it as a major argument if it wasnt for the issue that Rocket Man and Landmine Lords often struggle with that and yet accusse other people of skill issue.
Failing at this very basic thing makes me really wonder how skillfull people are if they cant achieve that basic thing, at least if they play the game long enough.
Because a) they can only do it with one method that is so simple that even Chineses can do it and b) because its sole method where the bots cant do aynthing to counter it beyond maybe shooting the dude before he managed to drop the mine
At least, I wouldnt be proud of it.
Not really unless they keep crashing it.
Also planes and tanks killing planes and tanks is a bit more skillfull because those are 9/10 times actual players and not bots.
And again, coming from Rocket Man, kinda ironic.
Makes me wonder why you still spam them.
And one grenade less for other tasks. What a trade off.
I dont know. Sounds like Rocket Man with his six planes he kept crashing into the ground.
And based on your terms and language, you definitly dont like that.
Unless they are snipers, BA rifles users or people who can fly and dont spam explosives.
Dude, you crashed planes right after you spawned so no excuse with broken planes.
And yes, because if you cant fly planes, dont fly them, unless your ground skills are similar worse. Really, what is the real fun of crashing a plane 30 times to get four kills or so?
Don’t change the concept
If your basic education is to distort other people’s words
Then I suggest you change your growing environment
(Everyone is killing AI)
Why can you rationalize your own behavior and distort or discredit the behavior of others at will?
Compared with the non-existent harm and unreasonable excuses in your mouth
Your prejudiced thoughts and discrimination will hurt you more
Before you stop being so ridiculous that you can only look at things through discrimination and self-satisfaction
I think you never know what true respect and normal thinking are