Yeah, but even in cqc you can get outgunned by and stg or fg42 because of the dmg, i think, and thats not to say that ppsh is bad, it absolutely isnt, i still do a lot of kills, and sometimes most kills of my team, but like, when i’m gonna pick up fedorov and as44, it will be much more easier, hence why i don’t see a problem with it, i still play the hell out of ppsh purely because i love gameplay and because its fun, hence mp717, it’s that easy
same for all other legacy fun, just for the enjoyment
Exept they would be a terrible lure for those players who already had bought 20+ MP717 pre merge.
So if they recycle it in the BP a decent amount of the active players might not even want to buy the pass.
That’s a good point. Maybe instead of the MP717 they could add just a few normal PPSH’s for the Germans in the battlepass and cover them in blood like the Halloween zombie event gun skins. The blood would make contextual sense cause it would be like they pried it off a dead soviet soldier and started using it themselves. It would make them a little different then the MP717 for people who bought 20 of them at the end of the Stalingrad campaign (self included).
when rare weapon and proto (fedorov and AS ) shine better than one of the most iconic sov smg 
Perfect for the flank with the drum but yeah head on is not that worth it
i mean, stg44 == fedorov, as44, sortish, we have kinda achieved BALANCE in that regard ? And i mean, assault rifles are a change of pace, like we have been running with smgs from br1 to br4, so im having fun when playing assault rifles too, but it does mean that those few smgs that are br5, are no longer as good as when there werent any alternatives, again, for the third time now, not that ppsh or suomi or mp717 are bad, its just we got newer, better stuff, that is frankly also quite fun to play with
More weapons the better, more choices/variety
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I fail to see how basically just a copypaste can be considered as variety or more choices.
There’s reason why this weapon was removed from the german tech tree. And the reason is quite obvious.
There’s many axis weapons that could take place of PPSH41 in German tech tree.
Btw. It’s funny how people always want only this specific weapon back. Never bother to speak for removed Soviet Thompson or Breda.
It’s not like they want more variety or choices. They just want better smg for German faction and this is the first one that comes to mind.
So as I have already said several times. Anyone who wants to play PPSH41 should go play Soviets. It’s literally their most iconic smg ever. I don’t see a reason why it should be in German tech tree. It’s like giving away Tiger to Japan tech tree. It just doesn’t belong there.
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People did mention all the other legacy weapons in this thread, i simply didn’t know not just mp717 got cut, I’d like to see those other weapons return as well, I’m not sure why you are so against it, on br5 smgs aren’t as relevant as AR’s and other weapons, it’s not like it’s such an insane buff. Also the mp717 is a bit different than soviet tech tree ppsh, somewhat unique.
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That’s completely made up BS. ARs are exclusive only to assaulters and medics.
Smgs meanwhile can be used by various classes. Like vehicle crews, guerrillas, APC drivers… And such.
My point stands. You didn’t know because nobody cares to remember non meta weapons. That’s all.
Plus I was not reacting to you. I have no issue with those weapons returning. I just don’t want to see them in tech tree. For all reasons I have stated above.
Otherwise we could just put all the Soviet equipment into German tech tree, we’d just use the German designation for it.
I fail to see how copypaste can be considered variety. It’s just ruining integrity and uniqueness of each faction.
Not to mention Axis got already so much stuff on its TT compared to Soviets.
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alright sure, Ars are only exclusive to medics, but, fg42 2 isnt)
vehicle crews/ will probably go down with the ship most of the time, no ?
a singular apc driver wont carry the entire match no ?
guerrilas i guess are getting a buff
Thing is, i still can’t se your point about TT
We already have:
- copypaste faust
- copypaste schreck(for us)
- copypaste obrez ppsh
- copypaste as44(all it is as an stg44 reskin, stat wise, they are almost identical, nobody cares about that one eh ?) ((Hyde isnt an stg44 reskin, iirc its slightly worse, what about that one ? nice balance))
as mentioned before, mp717 has somewhat diff stats(at least the firerate is slower), than ppsh, that is already more difference than as44 and stg44 lol
Basically, it hurts no one, and barely buffs germany, for a cool and fun gun, oh and the other legacy guns seem to be even less of a problem, what did manlicher ever do to get deleted even ??? it’s a bolt action !!!
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No. I’d rather use a fortnight fruity pink gun “camo” instead at this point. It would be silly, but not as “cringe”.
I fail to see how existence of copypaste is good justification of adding even more copypaste.
It’s like saying:
“There’s already crime in our town anyway, so it’s okay if it gets worse. We’re used to it, after all.”
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soviets - have copypaste for balance needs
america - has copypaste for balance needs
germany - can’t have like a single gun somewhat copypasty, that won’t even buff it all that much, its just for fun
do you consider mp717 more important than panzerfausts and schreck ? Because in my opinion that superior german inf AT is very big, and super helpful, whereas i don’t see how mp717 breaks balance
I can kinda see your point, about copypaste i mean, but you are also not exactly fair, 1-2 copypaste guns, won’t break anything, and wont turn the game into war thunder with their shermans escapade.
allies/sovs have good copypaste, can germany get 1 good copypaste ? No ?
Soviet thompson…that’s a copypaste, yes, but does it break balance ? is there no historical precedents about it used by soviets ? is it no good, to just have fun ? i would love to run thompsons with bazookas with my soviets alongside some soviet weaponry, it would simply be fun to play, it doesnt hurt balance at all(which i consider the most important point, but you havent brought up balance in your statement, it just seems to be a general dislike for copypaste) So frankly, i’m just not sure how its a bad addition, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, you do you, its your opinion.
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That’s simply not the case. 
PPSH41 is better than all other German smgs.
And stop underrating significance of smg class. Literally every German soldier that can’t use SF rifle or AR would end up using PPSH41 at BR5.
It would be meta weapon.
Yeah, that’s how it always starts…
I’m just against copy paste. That’s all. There are a number of equivalents from Axis nations that could substitute for PPSH41 in the German tech tree.
PPSH41 just doesn’t belong there. It’s the most iconic smg of USSR. Not of Germany.
Thankfully, adding the mp717 in TT wouldn’t be copy paste. Because it effectively got slightly different stats.
AND already exists, so it would be as easy as to tick a box for the devs to add it.
It would complement axis TT nicely as it’s the only faction without any drum smg (in TT). Moreover it wouldn’t be better than the stg family.
In short it would just be fun.
The only reason I can think of not adding it, is selfishness from those who bought some back then. Selfishness that thankfully I don’t suffer from as I’ve got enough to outfit multiple presets already… But I’m fine with others having the right to enjoy it too.
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why would you pick mp717 over stg44, mg42 100, fg42 ii ?
Yes, as you have mentioned, a couple classes will benefit from mp717, but just by how much…? I already answered about the classes you mentioned above, i feel like guerrilas are the only ones benefitting from it really, at that point.
And there is a a need for some slight fairness, as in, america got copypaste, soviets got copypaste, aight, give germany like 1 copypaste so its fair ?
i would be curious to listen as to what are the alternatives for ppsh ?
i was thinking of suomi with 71 drum mag, but that one is a premium squad. I lack knowledge of what other alternatives could be.
You literally can’t tell the difference in gameplay at all. But yes on the spreadsheet it has slightly different numbers, so we can justify the nonsensical cppypaste.
Yes, it was made exlusive to Stalingrad vetetans as apology reward.
It doesnt matter that you don’t mind if the weapon is added to the tech tree.
It would be a big one🖕to everyone who would mind and cares.
I didn’t know that StG “family” are smgs now.
No, it wouldn’t be. You don’t care about intengrity of factions. It’s totally bizarre that the most used smg German faction on BR5 would be Russian.
And you don’t care about the people who got the exclusivity of that weapon as an apology reward.
You don’t care about all of that.
Yeah xD the only reason you want to add it is so you can hypocritically feel good about giving others the ability to use that gun.
And you don’t care about all the other consequences. Like I said.
Because you honestly don’t care about the game anymore after the events of the last few months.
I can’t help but picture you saying all this in a crying voice, I’m sorry 
I’m just fine with it added for others to enjoy. It would change nothing for me personally.
As I said: I don’t suffer from selfishness.
you mean the same faction integrity that already includes american shreck, and soviet fausts and bazookas ? that one ?
i love how the most iconic gun that is mostly being used at br5 soviets, as as44, avtomat fedorova and avs and avt, rd44, so iconic !!!
as44 is an stg44 reskin, i repeat, statwise, they are almost indentical…what about that one ?
I can’t help it, but I can see that you don’t have any good arguments.
Instead of respecting both sides. You want to show 
to one and label them selfish, while you would do anything for the other.
I’ve offered some alternatives that would be beneficial to all. unlike you.
You just want to deliberately screw over one specific group. And then still label yourself as a Samaritan for giving the other group of the argument such a good option.