technically only thing stopping Federov being a AR is that it uses 6.5 arisaka that was designed as rifle round.
Nothing else, other than it fits perfectly to intermediate cartridge category.
Its just large pistol round, nowhere even remotely close to intermediate cartidge.
Then why does it get to enjoy the damge of a full power round and not intermediate?
So you are saying that the M2 is just an SMG then?
Just because it’s an underpowered rifle cartridge doesn’t make it not a rifle cartridge
False, it was specifically made to be a “light rifle round”/carbine round, pretty much nobody in their right mind actually categorizes it as a pistol cartridge…
He is, and he’s wrong
To me it seems to have ~15 while BA’s have +20
Id say its carbine as it name states
So rifle round cant be intermediate because rifle round, but just lenghtened pistol round is intermediate round because ?
You cant really eat the cake and have the cake.
So do we give the stg full power damage aswell as it contains the word gewehr?
For all I care sure.
pretty much, its more like an obese smg than an actual assault rifle, like the kiraly SMG
Yeah, but then they would have to change the Soviet Yazikov smg as well, as it is also carried as a side arm, and this I wouldn’t be in favor of. I like them both where they are.
Truly a terrible post.
Basically just “let’s take away any uniqueness from GO weapons for which people paid for”.
We can look at it as there is a difference between a submachine gun and machine pistol/ pistol carbine. (Funny enough that Germany called their smgs machine pistols). A machine pistol/ pistol carbine is literally based on an actual pistol
SMG
Now the Yazikov is not based on any pistol, but it does look pistol-like
However I would say that since the Yazikov isn’t based on a pistol, then it does belong to the smg family
.30 Carbine’s parent case was .32 Win SL, a fucking rifle cartridge. Or is it also a pistol cartridge because you say so…?
And 6.5x50 is not intermediate in this or any other reality. Anyone claiming this doesn’t know wtf they’re talking about.
Weak full power =/= intermediate
Weakish/non-necked intermediate =/= pistol
capice?!
So after all its rifle round.
Look at that.
Which leads to question how 1 rifle round is intermediate but 1 rifle round aint ?
Which, kind of was the point here.
No, the .30 was the evolution of a rifle bullet. It became intermediary. Just like how the Stg round was an evolution of the original Mauser round.
The M1 Carbine and MP 507 (the proper name of the “VG 1-5”) are fine as Riflemen weapons because Assault has no need for a semi-auto gun, but their automatic relatives should be Assault.
As established with the M2A1, Hyde, and Thompson .30, if it’s automatic and uses .30 it’s an Assault class weapon.
Except while kurz is shortened & less powerful version of ~8mm mauser, the .30 carbine has actually more power than its parent cartridge.
So with what logic Fedorov aint assault rifle because it uses rifle round but M2 is assault rifle even it uses a rifle round ?
But the normal M2 carbine isnt…
That’s more of an ironic turn of development. The point is still that it was originally a rifle bullet that was shortened to create .30 carbine. Most intermediary rounds were developed from a rifle.
It is more of an exception that .30 carbine was more powerful. But that’s an exception, not the rule.
6.5 is a true rifle round. It may be a little weak compared to other contemporary rifles but it’s still rifle. Just like how .30 is stronger than other intermediaries but still intermediary
Rather the responding to the OP to explain why I don’t like their proposal, I’ll link to three of their threads that are less than 6 months old where I probably already did.
so rifle round that developes to slightly more powerful rifle round is intermediate round, regardless its power is comparable to large pistol cartridges such as .44 magnum but still about twice less power than modern or ww2 era intermediate rounds.
its actually alot closer to 7.62x39 or 7.92 kurz than .30 carbine which is about twice less powerful and barely if at all meets the criteria of intermediate.
Even less criteria for assault rifle.
Yeah, not even close.
It’s long overdue for them to finally correct their mistakes
