It is finally time. The M2 Carbine was a select fire evolution of the M1 Carbine that was used during the last year of the war. The M2 has long been a “semi-auto rifle” used by all Riflemen classes.
The M1944 Hyde is an upcoming “assault rifle”. It is a select fire gun chambered in 0.30 carbine, exactly like the M2. I believe the addition of this weapon has given the justification to finally move the M2 Carbine to the Assault class.
0.30 carbine has long been debated as an intermediary round, and the devs have made their decision with adding the Hyde
So the M2 Carbine would be removed from the Riflemen classes and moved to Assault
No. It’s a Carbine. A Rifleman’s weapon. The only way I’m stepping down from this stance is if a “PDW” class is added that can only be used by Tankers, Pilots, Medics, Radio Ops, and as a secondary weapon for Mortar Men and MG Gunners
This class would exclusively consist of the M1 and M2 Carbine’s as well as the Artillery Luger as no other nation had anything like this that I am aware of
Either it stays a Carbine or it becomes a PDW as it was always used as, much as the BAR is used as an LMG
At the same time how do we explain the Hyde. Select fire, intermediary bullet
I view it like the Volksturmgewehr. The current semi-auto variant is fine for Riflemen because Assault has no use for a SA, but the automatic variant would be an assault rifle
Well no, they couldn’t. The BAR fires 30.06 which is a full powered rifle cartridge. To be an AR it would have to fire intermediate.
The BAR is exactly how it’s named, just an automatic rifle (that was later adapted for an LMG role). It could also be called a battle rifle, but that was mostly a postwar term to differentiate full powered auto rifles from assault rifles.
There is no automatic variant of the VG. That misconception comes from a mistranslation of the rifles name.
Literally, volksturmgewehr can translate to “Volksturm rifle” (Volksturm-gewehr) or “people’s assault rifle” (volks-sturmgewehr). However, it is in fact “Volksturm rifle”
However if the VG did have full auto capability, it would definitely qualify as an AR.
The Hyde and M2 carbine are weird cases. They’re not officially assault rifles, but you can definitely make a case for why they are.
Personally, I don’t consider .30 Carbine to be an AR, since it severely lacks the range and stopping power that most AR cartridges are designed for. It’s more of a glorified pistol cartridge. To me, the M2 Carbine is a very early PDW and the Hyde is a light rifle/upgunned SMG
Guess what? The M1 Carbine only has a range of 219–328 yd, and that 328 yd is EXTREMELY generous. At 100 yards, the M1 carbine can deliver groups of 3”-5”, sufficient for its intended purpose as a close-range defensive weapon. The M1 carbine has a maximum effective range of 300 yards. However, bullet drop is significant past 200 yards. Therefore, the M1 has a practical effective range of about 200 yd. Yeah the M1 Carbine is a 3-5 MOA FIREARM. Most military standards are 1 MOA by this point. Just pointing it out
Categorizing the M1 carbine series has been the subject of much debate. Although commonly compared to the later German StG 44and Russian AK-47, the M1 and M2 carbines are under-powered and outclassed. Instead, the carbine falls somewhere between the submachine gun and assault rifle and could be called a precursor of the personal defense weapon since it fulfilled a similar role.
Assault rifles are also a postwar term retrofitted to the StG whose name inspired the term. If you can’t call the BAR a battle rifle, then there is no assault rifle in WWII
This is true, today we would absolutely think of the bar as a battle rifle. And the StG and assault rifle. But back then, those terms didn’t exist yet and those weapons weren’t considered as such.
The M2 Carbine and Federov weren’t considered ARs back then even though we may think of them like that today. I’m sure George Hyde never viewed the M1944 as an AR, probably just a beefy SMG.
Even the AS44 wasn’t thought of like that either. The Soviets just wanted to copy the Stg. It’s even in the name, “Sudayev’s automatic rifle”
Not trying to imply that you don’t know any of those things, I just think it’s interesting to think about
And the M2 shouldn’t be considered an assault rifle now
Not exactly a “beefy SMG,” but rather a light rifle. It’s the M1944 Hyde Carbine after all, and was designed with the purpose of being a light rifle for the US military. It’s just the absolute closest we can get for an StG analogue for the US. Much as the T20 is the best analogue for the FG 42, and the Super Pershing is the best analogue for the Tiger II. These all are in no way equal to one another, but they’re the closest we can get for the purpose of analogues in a game. The Germans have no analogue for the Carbine’s. The closest you can kinda get is the VG 1-5. Even then, they were designed for completely different roles and reasons. The Carbine’s are PDW’s/Light Infantry Rifles for the men who would benefit from such a weapon, usually replacing the M1911. The VG 1-5 is a last ditch weapon to arm the last ditch army to defend Germany. Made to be cheap, reliable, and use somewhat common StG magazines. Thus the only thing these people can think to do is compare the M2 to the StG, but it’s just categorically incorrect no matter what sorta way you look at it other than detachable magazine, less than full power “more than pistol caliber,” and select fire. Really .30 Carbine has the power of a glorified pistol cartridge, but we don’t worry bout that. Lol
I have no issue using it in any role myself. Granted I cranked that reload speed to max so I can burn all 20 rounds and be ready to slam some more lead down range in record time. Plus having 200 rounds helps a lot. I just play “default aggressive” anyways so it’s great for my style of gameplay
