They taught and used both stances in the US army
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Interesting, what about the Marines?
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The Springfield M1903A1 USMC should be renamed, as it is just a Springfield M1903A1 with “C Stock”. The Springfield M1903A1 with C Stock was used by Marines, but not as much as the version of Springfield pictured below :
The Springfield pictured above looks similar to the Springfield 1903 in game but the main visible differences are the rear of the stock and the front sight ring. This is the version of Springfield most used by the Marines during the Pacific War.
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I’m not sure about the marines, but as a bonus, here’s a photo of some Germans shooting pistols from a two handed stance:
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How commonly did the Germans use the two handed stance? I’ve only read something along the lines of “yes some stances have been around but they were never as widespread as the one handed”
Here’s a pic of the IJN two handed stance btw, IJA also trained it during the 30s but abandoned it by WW2.
Allow the premium German medic squad in Stalingrad to customize uniforms or at the very least their faces
Also if you could update the premium machine gun squads to carry the belt drums added to the paratroopers instead of the rifle pouches they currently have equipped
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From what I’m aware, the single handed stance seemed much more popular at the time. I’m not opposed to them switching the stance, I’d like to see both in-game personally
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Probably more than 3rd. And yes it’s weird. When you Google (mp 38 “fly”) you get 0 matches with anything mentioning “fly”.
That’s exactly the case. If nobody knows what it is, why is it there?
They did, but were not random words or letters, they had to mean something. The year, the factory, the contract number or something else.
Let’s google “MP 38 markings”:
I don’t see any “FLY” anywhere
Ian McCollum’s MP-38 doesn’t have any Flies either
This pictire only appears on Baltic Antique website without any sources
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I mean, it’s not a game breaking bug but if 99.999% of MP-38 pictures don’t have any “FLY” then why does ours have to have this weird “FLY”?
When did Germany ever put three letter codes for dates?
They just put the year afaik
Only Erma and Haenel made MP-38s according to Ian McCollum.
Then why would it be stamped on the top part of the gun?
Maybe it’s not the developer’s nickname indeed. Looks like a Baltic dev just went to a Baltic website and copied the random markings.
But I still don’t see why we need those unsubstantiated markings on the game’s model.
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Also this looks very weird and dare I say tasteless.
“334” in weird color and in a weird place.
Did Jagdpanthers ever have their numbers on the last shurzen? Why would they if it can be easily lost?
All the Jagdpanthers I’ve seen had numbers on the hull and in proper German ww2 font, not this.
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what do you expect from the averange enlisted and arcady players.
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According to Liste der Fertigungskennzeichen fuer Waffen, Munition und Geraet (Karl R. Pawlas), a collection of the codes considered to be one of the best, most in-depth collections, there was the following dates assigned to specific code groups:
| Letter Groups | Date of Edition |
|---|---|
| a-z and aa-zz | October 1941 1940 |
| aaa-azz | November 1940 |
| baa-bzz | February 1941 |
| caa-czz | March 1941 |
| daa-dzz | April 1941 |
| eaa-ezz | May 1941 |
| faa-fzz | June 1941 |
| gaa-gzz | July 1941 |
| haa-hzz | August 1941 |
| jaa-jzz | September 1941 |
| kaa-kzz | June 1942 |
| laa-lzz | September 1943 |
| maa-mzz | December 1943 |
| naa-nzz | August 1944 |
| oaa-ozz | October 1944 |
From this list, we can find “FLY” in the FAA-FZZ category; those letters were assigned for June 1941, suggesting then that the weapon was also made around that period.
In both the images MovMav provided, and in the game, the date on the rear of the gun is also 1941, corroborating this.
Now, the 94/615 part was harder to find information on, but the 94 did trace back to two potential locations; an ammunition manufacture, and the potential manufacture I provided in the first place. I figured it probably wouldn’t be the ammunition manufacturer, so I went with the other one.
And yes, Erma/Haenel ultimately made the MP-38, but they still used parts manufactured by others. Like if you bought a Sony TV, some parts will be from China, others Korea, some from Europe etc, and then it’s all put together in a Sony factory and sold as a Sony product. The same can be said for guns in WWII; different manufacturers made different parts, and then one specific manufacture put it all together and sold the guns. Of course later in the war I have no doubt they streamlined the process a bit, and reduced how many different parts had to be moved between factories and so on. According to one MP-38 owner on a random forum I found, his MP-38 has over 14 different serial numbers for different parts made by different companies.
It’s not entirely unsubstantiated; the numbers do make sense and were on some real weapons. Why they put it on this model in-game I don’t know, but it’s really not that big a deal and not worth such hassle of changing it.
Hopefully this makes sense.
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Africa korp uniforms plz
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What do you mean saying these markings unsubstantiated? MP 38 is mass produced gun that may come with uniqie markings and other differences. Ian McCollum also reviewed M1 Garand and M1 Carbine, Carcanos, Japan rifles… Cmon, let’s delete all the real markings that were shown in Enlisted, but they are not the same as on the gun that was shown on Forgotten Weapons.
So answer to your question
This is not a mistake, but a variant of the norm.
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Unsubstantiated because there are no sources with “Fly” other than that one Ballic Antique photo?
Yes but I don’t see any FLYs other that that one photo (which might as well be a reproduction or a post-war addition)
So to sum up my question:
If it’s the norm, there must be a respectable source?
Just having random letters and numbers is not the norm.
It’s not only one year of production, but FLY-94 and FLY-615 have same manufacturer code. auf = Erfurter Maschinenfabrik = Erma btw.
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I dont want be darkflow advocate but i doubt this is something who make 99. 99% of people who use the mp38 angered, mostly of us dont even care of what is written on the gun, so this is not something who make the game unpleasant or unplayable for normal person
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Yeah. So it looks like the gun was assembled and built by Erma in 1941.
Metal stamping and bending appears to have been done by Ossenberg-Engels GmbH, which is the 94. Ossenberg-Engels does bending and stamping of metals, and the gun is metal, so not out of the realm of possibility.
Ossenberg-Engels GmBH did their treatments of the metal during the month of June 1941, which is the “FLY”. This makes sense as we know Erma assembled the gun in 1941.
Seems like everything’s explained and answered nicely.
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begone from this realm. filthy casual
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