Levels in the renewed Enlisted

[CaptainSebekel]

@EclipsZer0

tons of people will leave the game

There are no tons of people left and at least half of them don’t remotely care.

[san1tater]

@robihr

unlike HA which they said they will implement and it is pretty easy to implement it, tech tree is more complex issue.

FFS STFU u r way out of reasonable

[VoyoMayPL]

At this point I’m not even sure what you are arguing about.

[CaptainSebekel]

T-34 against Panzer J good, T-34 vs. F2 bad because fair(er)and not historical.

[san1tater]

for now it’s should we give some thoughts or advices or not, cuz someone let us shut up and complain about it after (if) there is already a problem, except of him and those he loves to see.

I don’t want to stick with it but he is so rude and kept that for days since this news released. for gods’ sake!

[robihr]

@EclipsZer0

Also you really REALLY are naive if you think that each individual weapon will have its on MM. It simply can’t be done. If you have the MP3008 on Tier 2, and all other Tier 2 weapons are from early-war, the MM will put said MP3008 immediately into Moscow, because what the MM looks for first and foremost is pairing same-Tier weapons, then choose maps based on those weapons, which are majority early-war.

you are really stupid if you think it cant be done. this isnt even a problem. let me give you an example with simplified algorithm:
search 20 players on T2
check each weapon date of service for each of the player
save latest weapon date of service
create match on map where map.date>latest_weapon_date_of_service

ohhh this is so impossible to implement in MM algorithm.

@EclipsZer0

Seriously bro, use your brain. Don’t tell people to STFU when you can’t think for yourself what the consequences of what tou are defending will be.

if their programmers cant even implement this algorithm, then it is better to just leave the game.

[san1tater]

@robihr

you are really stupid if you think it cant be done. this isnt even a problem. let me give you an example with simplified algorithm:
search 20 players on T2
check each weapon date of service for each of the player
save latest weapon date of service
create match on map where map.date>latest_weapon_date_of_service

ohhh this is so impossible to implement in MM algorithm.

technically, yes and good

how about it’s gaijin…

if they do as you say, I do will appologize to you for all the arguements

[san1tater]

@robihr

check each weapon date of service for each of the player

did you play other games produced by gaijin? you might be a good technican but with so many years be with gaijin’s game, I really doubt about that.

[san1tater]

@CaptainSebekel

T-34 against Panzer J good, T-34 vs. F2 bad because fair(er)and not historical.

I don’t see your point, T-34 (1941) and IV F2(1941 as the first prototype) are both in the Moscow campaign now, why not historical? it needs no change.

[robihr]

@san1tater

for now it’s should we give some thoughts or advices or not, cuz someone let us shut up and complain about it after (if) there is already a problem, except of him and those he loves to see.

I don’t want to stick with it but he is so rude and kept that for days since this news released. for gods’ sake!

you know why i am rude. cause most of the keep “HA” in the game people are simply retarded.

1. DF already announced they will implement soft HA rule for them
2. this game has stopped caring about historical accuracy long time ago. squads are not historically composed, you have non historical weapons everywhere (e.g. jumbo, fedorov, F2, various prototypes, etc. ), they invented various stats for weapons (from bullet damage, to explosion range and damage), there are same weapons with differents stats, ffs there are even germans attacking from beach direction in normandy (ruins of st vaux)

and you know what pisses me off? when someone says i am gonna quit this game cause there will be no historical accuracy. imagine seeing mp3008 in low tier game in moscow. and there have been many such crybabies for months now.
and you know what is not a problem for them? that we have 57% of bots entering the match in crossplay off, that we have 30% of bots entering the match in crossplay on. that we have 2:1 allies/axis player ratio in tunisia, that almost every other campaign has 20-30% player disparity between sides, that veterans are constantly killing newbies with end game weapons (tiger, p47, m2, stg44, fedorov, ppsh41, t34, f2 etc. ) when all they have is BA and crappy starter tank.

i can understand if someone quits game cause game is shitty, cause game is bugged, cause game is full of bots, cause they wont be able to play campaign/maps they want. but blackmailing to quit cause your enjoyment will be ruined if you actually see non historical weapon in one map? in game where you have jumbo on normandy, fedorov after winter war, half japan weapons made of prototypes?

most of the die hard HA guys are just mad cause they cant continue to seal club.

@san1tater

and IV F2(1941 as the first prototype) are both in the Moscow campaign now, why not historical? it needs no change.

On 18 November 1941 the German Ordnance Department issued Krupp and Rheinmetall-Borsig with an order to develop a long barrelled 7.5cm gun. By March 1942 the gun was ready to be installed in new tanks, and the last 175 Panzer IV ausf Fs were built with the new gun.

Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf F2

this

[san1tater]

@robihr

• DF already announced they will implement soft HA rule for them
• this game has stopped caring about historical accuracy long time ago. squads are not historically composed, you have non historical weapons everywhere (e.g. jumbo, fedorov, F2, various prototypes, etc. ), they invented various stats for weapons (from bullet damage, to explosion range and damage), there are same weapons with differents stats, ffs there are even germans attacking from beach direction in normandy (ruins of st vaux)

I explained why. and you still behaved rude.

@robihr

cause most of the keep “HA” in the game people are simply retarded.

even now

@robihr

cause game is full of bots

how about game is not as full of bots as before? not in this forum but there are voices against this game to be sweaty, not only who asked for PROTECT the HA rate.

@robihr

but blackmailing to quit cause your enjoyment will be ruined if you actually see non historical weapon in one map? in game where you have jumbo on normandy, fedorov after winter war, half japan weapons made of prototypes?

I explained, most of us not strict HA nuts. we just don’t want it to be too much inaccurate. anyone asked for more? we are just trying to protect the current HA rate. it’s acceptable for us, but more obvious fictional? NO.

@robihr

most of the die hard HA guys are just mad cause they cant continue to seal club.

well I end up most of my time fight in berlin as allies for recent 300hr, you couldn’t strightly put that on us.
as I said, there are people seeking for HA, and people want to farm AI, but you couldn’t simply equal them…even if you could emotionally equal them.

[Antero_Rokka]

Being able to choose the nationality of soldiers would be an easy answer. It would also solve the problem that we have in Tunisia: No way to buy Italian riflemen or AT-gunners.

[san1tater]

@robihr

that we have 2:1 allies/axis player ratio in tunisia, that almost every other campaign has 20-30% player disparity between sides, that veterans are constantly killing newbies with end game weapons (tiger, p47, m2, stg44, fedorov, ppsh41, t34, f2 etc. )

well…I really disagreed with this view. players away from those campaigns are definetely not because the weapons for veterans and newbies, cuz they are only away of one side. it’s the mechanic.

[Dannyboy154711]

I will be very open minded and try the new system. I have some faith left in Darkflow. However, that being said, if I see a Beaufighter spewing rockets of tears in Pacific my nose will bleed.

[Conte_Baracca]

There are too few Italian Squads. More Italian weapons than squads makes no sense

[Conte_Baracca]

@Antero_Rokka

Also how will the new cosmetics work for the Italian uniforms? Can I give any German squad soldiers Italian uniforms or are they only usable in Italian squads?

Excellent question

[Conte_Baracca]

Engineer I MUST be tier I

[robihr]

@san1tater

I explained why. and you still behaved rude.

well sry. this was my mistake. i have mistaken you for some of the other 5-10 people i have been arguing in this topic cause of HA. thought you demanded HA and said that you saw that they will implement soft HA rule and still made stupid demands on forum.

i am ok if you are asking clarification about soft HA rule from devs, but not with people who come here and demand same state of the game cause they want to play against bots and seal club newbies on their favorite campaign with their end game weapon.

@san1tater

even now

not sorry about that. HA purist left the game when jumbo was introduced on normandy.

@san1tater

how about game is not as full of bots as before?

game is just getting more and more bots with each campaign. people were complaining about bots before stalingrad was introduced. also according to anecdotal evidence game has lost ~20% of players since christmas, so more bots.

@san1tater

I explained, most of us not strict HA nuts. we just don’t want it to be too much inaccurate. anyone asked for more? we are just trying to protect the current HA rate. it’s acceptable for us, but more obvious fictional? NO.

if you dont have problem with current HA inaccuracies like fedorov, jumbo in normandy, f2 in moscow, mkb42 in moscow, pz. III B, type hei, type otsu, fg42, m2 carbine in normandy, axis planes in normandy and berlin and at least half a dozen more inaccuracies just weapon wise, idk what is too inaccurate. this game is already half fiction when you include golden order weapons.

@san1tater

there are people seeking for HA,

like i said those people left long time ago.

@san1tater

well…I really disagreed with this view. players away from those campaigns are definetely not because the weapons for veterans and newbies, cuz they are only away of one side. it’s the mechanic.

those are 2 separate issues.

[robihr]

@Dannyboy154711

However, that being said, if I see a Beaufighter spewing rockets of tears in Pacific my nose will bleed.

i think they will need to do some kind of preselection for MM queues cause it wont be only such problem. from news that we received so far this could happen alongside other british weapons/vehicles.

[san1tater]

@robihr

thought you demanded HA and said that you saw that they will implement soft HA rule and still made stupid demands on forum.

I think almost all those ppl you mentioned all welcome the HA rule, but lack of faith of it, so that we tried to make something that could even work for a suggest. we are not forcing you to agree, no one did. you might could understand more (even if you definetly not agree ) by knowing this.