how can it destroy something that doesn’t exist? For me personally, the cuirass actually improves the balance.
Or is it wrong to have even the slightest advantage over Germany? Only Germany should have advantages.
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T20: 650/20
AVT:600/15
while surprise
FG42: 750/20
The Germans are suffering.
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in other words, the USSR is not one of the strongest nation
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Better yet, add body armor the other nations developed to the game for customization. That should even things out.
BR 5 Russian tanks have a 30 year reload time and still struggle to penetrate the Tiger 2 without precise aiming.
BR 2 Russian tanks are the worst out of all factions.
PZ 3 N is superior to everything they have.
KV1 is great at BR 3 but most long barrel German tanks can counter it and it’s worthless in an up-tier.
German planes (especially attacker aircraft) are just straight up superior in everything especially armament and bomb load.
Your argument is honestly terrible because you’re talking about milliseconds of difference in TTK which isn’t noticeable to people who are actually good at the game.
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Dunno ? Currently very hard to imagine unique infantry weapons for germans that soviets dont have a direct counter.
So soviets being “unique” is bit weird statement.
Im just that bad player that I can tell differency do I need 2 or 3 hits to kill.
We all just cant be such pro as you that cant tell differency how many rounds they need to kill.
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How is an instant kill and 2 shot or 3 shot (if you miss the second shot) not noticeable.
If both sides react at the same time the side with the instant kill will always kill unless there is a severe case of skill issue.
Just because you are saying it does not matter doesnt mean it actually does not matter.
You could have asked the red army not to use 2 piece ammunition instead but that is not what happend. If you need to reload a gun twice then you need about twice as much time to fully reload the gun.
completely unrelated.
Even if there was any truth to your claims, this thread is about body armour.
Isnt it funny how Soviet mains claim that it has no effect but when players ask for this non existent effect to be removed, they protect this BS with their lives.
Gotta love the “if you cant deal with Fedorov and body armour you have skill issue”, but KT H and FG42 are German bias and Soviets suffer.
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Not “nerf” but imo body armor should be in backpack slot. Maybe buff its resistance so pistol rounds and fragments in return if that is possible. Would make game assymetrical as people claim it is.
Or just make it pure cosmetic I guess and remove any stats from cosmetics, including helmets.
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well, most of the soviet soldiers in WW2 wouldn’t have body armor just like the rest of everyone during WW2, so it’s not realistic to have every soldier carrying body armor. Plus metals were in short supply so they would be sparing those for war production of military vehicles and stuff.
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completely unrelated.
Even if there was any truth to your claims, this thread is about body armour.
Isnt it funny how Soviet mains claim that it has no effect but when players ask for this non existent effect to be removed, they protect this BS with their lives.
Idk if you can read his other post about the other guy saying Russian tanks are far superior but you might wanna go back and check that he was talking to someone else that was doing THE SAME THING and not about this damn post but yes accuse him of being a Soviet main cause he back in his claim like damn that was a quick judgement call😭
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It is related! I’m pointing out that not every faction is unique and has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Bold of you to assume that I’m a Soviet main when I’m max on everything and play random battles 
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As a German main - and tanker main as well I will tell you this:
BR1:
Panzer III J is excellent and is pretty much a BR2 tank. The only issue the vehicle has is its terrible turret rotation speed - it easily beats every US and Soviet BR1 vehicle and can rival almost every BR2 tank - if for what ever reason you need more firepower, you still have the best TD BR wise in the game, the Italian M41.
BR2:
Panzer III N is possibly the best anti infantry vehicle in the entire game, if played passively, it can still cause havoc in high BRs, some maps allow it that you hide from enemy tanks.
That being said, it obviously has issues against BR3 enemy armor, but on the same BR it still completely destroys its enemies - thanks to post pen damage from explosive filler being OP in enlisted. Puma and other 5cm L60 tanks are better at dealing with armor, but still “kinda” struggles against BR3 tanks, but now that Germany has a Marder at BR2 there is nothing to complain about anymore.
BR3:
Panzer IV J is a glass canon - its gun is good enough to have a “chance” even at BR5, but at the same time can be taken out even by Br1 tanks.
Possibly the only BR where German tanks arent OP right now.
BR4:
Panther is OP and is clearly a BR5 vehicle - well okay its terribly slow ( which can change ), but its gun is leagues ahead of Soviet 85mm guns and US 76mm guns - not to mention its practically immortal to BR3 tanks.
BR5:
Tiger II H is clearly the best armored and the best armed vehicle in the game - with maybe the Japanese fantasy TD being the exception, but … Japan doesn’t count, its vehicle balance is all over the place.
Yes IS 2 can rival Tiger II H - but as said so many times, the reload speed is its biggest hinderance, also - long 88 can take out any target frontally everywhere, while Allied guns need to shoot its turret - this is an obvious advantage.
Also pls ppl - T34 100 has paper armor and its gun has so little ammo, that its anti infantry capabilities are simply poor. Compared to Tiger II H its a BR4 vehicle.
Also, Soviet SUs have no MG, while Jagdpanther has one - a clear advantage.
So overall it is absolutely obvious that Germany has the best tanks in the game, with the exception of maybe BR2 and BR3 - but even those BRs German armor has still more utility with top mounted MGs and great anti infantry power.
All this being said, I dont believe that having better vehicles should allows the other factions to have better infantry weapons - this is a terrible way of handling game balance - especially since Germany still has STG44 which isnt effected by body armor other than damage drop.
My point here is that STG44 is making FG42 obsolete, but only against Soviets which sucks and makes no sense.
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Nothing against the Panther but as US I fear Tiger I more because the mantlet is sometimes weird to pen with the 76mm and some tankers know that you can angle the hull.
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yea that is actually true - but this only means that its mantlet should be fixed, both have 100mm of armor, and just because Tiger has these little uneven spots that trigger rounds to count as hitting angled armor should be considered a bug.
Also historically speaking, Panther A actually had a massive design flaw because its round mantlet redirected rounds into its hull (aka turret shot trap) which was later fixed with Panther G having the lower part of its mantlet extra thick and flat.
Turret shot trap physic should be added to the game, which would make tank combat much more balanced - because if added, Panther A could stay in BR4, with maybe its top mounted MG removed, while Panther G could get its speed increased (even tho it was heavier than Panther A and technically slower, it had many of its transmission issues fixed - representing a more reliable vehicle)
I guess its like the laser PPSh Box or the FW flymodels. If the bug exists for that long, it may be a feature at this point.
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dont get me wrong, I do believe he has his points with German armor, but you are 100% right this can not be an argument for Soviets having better infantry - infantry wins battles especially considering there are game modes and maps where playing with vehicles is a waste of tickets.
I do just fine with T-34-100 and it takes way less time to reload than is-2
After shell calculation changes HEAT has become almost worthless and is inferior to APHE so Soviet tanks are now better not at just anti infantry work but also fighting tanks
They struggle to pen it unlike KV-1 when fighting them it takes only 1-2 shots to defeat them. KV-1 Enlisted armor is overbuffed and way thicker than in reality or in WT you will have easier time killing them with your grb39 or panzerfaust than any German tank. So where is that German superiority? Yeah only in your head.
And yet Soviet planes can still do their job and destroy all German tanks, their turn rate is a lot of the times better than Germany so they can defeat them if they try to do some turns
Your argument is completely biased and acting like Germany is superior at every single way but in reality they are the weakest nation in a game at br1-3, pretty great at BR4 and still weaker than Russia at BR5. Try being objective for once. It’s funny how you always ignore point about overpowered and overbuffed buggy soviet guns and only focus on vehicles that are just minor part of the game.
idk why body armor is still topic of discussion. solution has been discussed numerous times already for both sides of argument:
- if it provides advantage, it is unfair, so remove it
- if it doesnt provide advantage, then removing it shouldnt be a problem
btw if anyone want so say that factions should be unique, then remove all lend lease and captured weapons from soviet TT(and other TT).
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