Introduce Grey Zone Armor Decay for Tanks in active combat

[LuciferPDX]

Great Idea my friend I think this might be the best Idea I’ve seen proposed regarding grey-zone tank campers hopefully the developers get to read this.

[Your_Local_NKVD]

Tanks are not that strong on its own due to infantries yeeting TNTs, and rockets. So if that armor decay happens, then people will avoid tanks and move more on planes and will beg DF to increase limit which will be worse. Tanks are strong due to protection from objects obstruction and Grey zone.

There is already simple solution for it which is to build AT canons and 1 shot them, use rockets and rifle, and marking it for planes to destroy it

[ShrimpTofu]

What if shooting from nonozone give you no xp

[Meatfraud]

@Your_Local_NKVD

There is already simple solution for it which is to build AT canons and 1 shot them,

This is not a solution for Japan in anything above BR2. Their 47 mm cannon does not have the penetration.

@Your_Local_NKVD

use rockets and rifle, and marking it for planes to destroy it

Man portable AT solutions have difficulty hitting anything beyond 100 meters and are virtually useless beyond 200.

As someone who has tried to take out gray zone tanks with CAS; it can work, sometimes. The problem is all it takes is one bored engineer on an AA turret or a decent fighter pilot and that rapidly becomes ineffective.

Japan has it particularly bad because of the papier mache armor on their tanks, and the fact that tank destroyers are virtually worthless in this game.

[ѕнιηкιє]

cringe.
theres only 2 solutions of this problem:

1. delete grayzones at all
2. dont give any points for kills from it
   

[Your_Local_NKVD]

@Meatfraud

This is not a solution for Japan in anything above BR2. Their 47 mm cannon does not have the penetration.

You guys alrady get engineer squad at Tier 1. But yes you guys will be getting a high BR AT canons soon though. But for low tier, American tanks need some armor nerf

@Meatfraud

As someone who has tried to take out gray zone tanks with CAS; it can work, sometimes. The problem is all it takes is one bored engineer on an AA turret or a decent fighter pilot and that rapidly becomes ineffective.

Japan has it particularly bad because of the papier mache armor on their tanks, and the fact that tank destroyers are virtually worthless in this game.

Just like real life lmfao. Like balancing Japan will be harder to do for DF.

Simple solution for bad canon is to get bigger canon:

Type 90 75mm AT canon:

But at least wish that these type of allied mains don’t come and cry when Japan’s 20mm AT rifles gets op and other stuff:

Japanese handheld anti-everything 20mm auto cannon needs to be nerf

I believe the power of this thing goes without saying. one shot airplane, pen every allies tanks, Japanese first “semi-automatic rifle” at LV.5. At the same time, the Allies obtained the worst ATR in the game! “the weapon proved completely ineffective. It also failed to stop Japanese tanks in Malaya.”(from wikipedia).This weapon also makes the Japanese Type 4/5 rocket launcher completely unnecessary. First of all, this weapon is not an anti-tank rifle. The Japanese name " （九七式自動炮）" is translate…

But what I know is that, Japan mostly invested their resources on best Navy ships, so I suggested this:

Japanese 21st signal company idea

This radio operator is different one from the rest of other actions that should be added in BR 5 tech tree as Radio operator 3. Since their map is only in Japanese islands in the Pacific, and I expect, that there will be Soviet vs Japan battle mostly on pacific like Sakhlin Island, and Kurii Island. These maps are mostly surrounded by water so one such unique fire support should be HE ship bombardment with Battleship Yamato with its 460mm canons. Weapons related to it: Hino Komuro M1904 [i…

[Wieloglow]

Bad idea

This would mean that heavy tanks like Panther or Tiger could be destroyed frontally by simple weapons like PTRS-41 or even Boys AT rifle, which would look idiotic.

[Your_Local_NKVD]

@Wieloglow

This would mean that heavy tanks like Panther or Tiger could be destroyed frontally by simple weapons like PTRS-41, which would look idiotic.

Its just gonna make tank useless and more importance on planes

[Wieloglow]

@Your_Local_NKVD

Its just gonna make tank useless and more importance on planes

Exactly, because with only 20 % of armor value, all tanks will be easily destroyed by simple strafing runs

No need to drop bombs - just shoot at a tank with MG from above

[Dregomz]

Very stupid idea it would make overpowered planes even more powerful.

Just give us a blackzone/whitezone which will protect only first 10-40m of the spawn depending on the map.

Turn greyzone into warzone where everyone could come there and fight but is not allowed to place mines there, building stuff also should be limited, only at/aa guns are allowed and ammo boxes, no hedgehogs/barbwires/sandbags to not enable blocking enemy spawns, ofc rally points are banned too

Infantry that come there will be visible on the minimap at all times just like your friendly troops and bots will be more on the alert.

[Dregomz]

P47’s wet dream just hvar in radius of 50m near a tank and you will get a tank kill.

[robihr]

@_fi_nal

Since the effects of this (killing players automatically) are basically for all intents and purposes magic, we dont need to bother with any realism here.

not really. you could also understand it as battle lines where enemy concentration is so high that it is certain death zone for any enemy soldier.

@_fi_nal

This serves to make the tanks much more vulnerable to any countermeasure also from lower BR players.

you mean making tanks killable for ultra shit players? cause they dont know how to use currently available means of dealing with gray zone tank?

[robihr]

@Meatfraud

This is not a solution for Japan in anything above BR2. Their 47 mm cannon does not have the penetration.

i agree that japan and US AT guns are bad (but completely ok for BR 1-3 battles), but devs have already announced that they will introduce new AT guns for high BR matches.

[Your_Local_NKVD]

@Dregomz

P47’s wet dream just hvar in radius of 50m near a tank and you will get a tank kill.

“One dream is another nightmare” to another level

[Daslec]

@_fi_nal

So, why don’t we play a bit more with such balance and fun oriented “magical” effects and see if we can use those to reduce the impact of grey zone camping tanks. So lets introduce an armor thickness penalty of up to -80% for all tanks which score kills from the grey zone.

I would do it differently.

• -80% exp for those who stay in the grey zone.

• -50% exp for those in the middle of the map.

• -20% exp for those near the cap.

Do that and you’ll see the magic happen. A more balanced and team game.

[robihr]

@Daslec

Do that and you’ll see the magic happen. A dead game.

here fixed that for ya…

[_fi_nal]

@robihr

i agree that japan and US AT guns are bad (but completely ok for BR 1-3 battles), but devs have already announced that they will introduce new AT guns for high BR matches.

They are not OK for BR 1-3. Imo the JP AT gun cannot frontally pen shermans (BR 3) beyond around 140m or so (even less with even slightest angle), it will also struggle with grant/lee (BR 2). You have plenty of maps without any chance to flank the tank sitting at 200m+.

So might be OK or might be shit, completely depending on the equipment faced.

@robihr

not really. you could also understand it as battle lines where enemy concentration is so high that it is certain death zone for any enemy soldier.

Yes, so like I said: Magic. Because that’s not a real thing, very inventive of you tho

@robihr

you mean making tanks killable for ultra shit players? cause they dont know how to use currently available means of dealing with gray zone tank?

Well, sure I guess - allowing shit players who dont necessarily have the specific equipment or possibility to deal with maxed out equipment / downtiered grey zone camper shithead players more easily

[Your_Local_NKVD]

@Daslec

Do that and you’ll see the magic happen. A more balanced and team game.

Do that and the game is dead where planes dominates the vehicle slots. Tanks strength are the greyzone and hiding behind buildings. Best way to fix it is to buff AT canons or end game rocket launchers

[robihr]

@_fi_nal

They are not OK for BR 1-3. Imo the JP AT gun cannot frontally pen shermans (BR 3) beyond around 140m or so (even less with even slightest angle),

there are weak points(e.g. mg port) on sherman that any AT gun can penetrate (and it is usually OHK).

@_fi_nal

So might be OK or might be shit, completely depending on the equipment faced.

i agree that japanese AT gun need buff cause they should be able to pen enemy tanks without having to search for weak points and we will get it soon^TM.

@_fi_nal

Yes, so like I said: Magic. Because that’s not a real thing, very inventive of you tho

what is not real thing? front lines are a thing and without breaking through them you cant go into enemy territory.
btw you want magic? from where do hundreds/thousands soldiers come from? how does rally point function? how does APC function? do they just magically teleport? gray zone is perfectly ok when you imagine that you actually have front lines.

@_fi_nal

Well, sure I guess - allowing shit players who dont necessarily have the specific equipment or possibility to deal with maxed out equipment / downtiered grey zone camper shithead players more easily

if there is specific problem with counters available to the player not being able to kill enemy tank, then those counters should be fixed, e.g. better AT guns, or better AT rocket launchers. solution is not nerf the all tanks cause you cant deal with them. ffs i even suggested giving f2p players second vehicle slot (for plane) to have ability to counter against enemy tanks if you want to play tank.

[_fi_nal]

@robihr

solution is not nerf the all tanks

cause you cant deal with them.

I’m personally OK, thanks for your concern though.

@robihr

how does rally point function? how does APC function? do they just magically teleport?

You got it. These are magic too. People step out of a fucking radio for christ sake (but it’s OK, you can put a mine on the radio and when they materialize that kills them all).

front lines are a thing and without breaking through them you cant go into enemy territory.
btw you want magic?

Front lines are a thing but they are not an impenetrable death trap (see the times when they were penetrated) and not even in ww1 where people were running into wire and mg emplacements did you a guarantee of death for everyone involved. Certainly not when these frontlines and their death rays move because a random dot on the map is lost to the enemy. Which is again, magic.

You can come up with whatever handwaving-bs explanation you want but this is still basically magic, as are many other aspects you correctly highlighted.