Infantry Additions for Low Tier

Hello ladies and gentlemen. I come today to suggest a few things that I believe should be added to the game.

For a while, Enlisted has focused in vehicles and High Tier infantry. I do hope that they can rectify that by adding some new additions for low tier. Here are some ideas.

Starting with the U.S.A. Firstly, the Krag-Jorgensen, a rifle of which I have already made a post about. The Krag-Jorgensen Rifle was a bolt-action rifle of Norewgian Origin, with a magazine capacity of 5 bullets (+1 if one is in the chamber). The United States would adopt this rifle in the 1890s, and use it in many conflicts. Its most nobale use was in the Spanish-American War and the Boxer Rebellion.

The rifle was also used by the U.S Marines in the Far East in the early stages of World War II. The Cavalry Carbine version of this rifle could be a nice event weapon, although I think I’m pushing it a bit with this one.


American Krag infantry rifle (bottom) and Cavalry Carbine, along with an ammo pouch, c. 1898

I think adding this rifle into Tier II would be great, considering that the other options, the Ross and M1917 Enfield are ok. Considering they lack a bayonet, and their ROF is mediocre (in my opinion), the Krag would certainly be a good addition to low tier U.S.A.

Secondly, the Lee-Enfield Mk. I. This is the original variant of the Lee-Enfield, introduced in 1895, and seeing combat from a range of fronts, most notably in the Second Boer War and Mahdist War. During World War II, it was mostly used by auxillary forces, such as the Ethopians and the Arabs.

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Lee-Enfield Mk. I used by Australian forces during the Second Boer War

Now this rifle is much more primitve compared to the regular Lee-Enfields in the game, however it would work nicely as a Tier I rifle. I say Tier I for three reasons. Firstly, the only British rifle in low tier is the Enfield P14, and to put it quite frankly, it’s not the greatest rifle. Secondly, a rifle of similar capacity and age, the Lebel M1886/93 is also Tier I. Thirdly, is the fact that it is single load, as this rifle was made before the British adopted Charger loading clips, meaning one has to individually load 10 bullets, making the reload process quite cumbersome.

Perhaps this could be a Tier I rifle, or it could possibly be an event or premium, similar to the Lebel. It could also have a custom Ethiopian uinit, but maybe I’m pushing a bit too far here.

The last addition I would like for the U.S.A is the Lews Gun, used primarily by the British forces during World War II, although the U.S Navy used it as well.

The Lewis gun would be a great addition to the LMG tree in Tier II, making up for the lack of variety, since currently, there are only Bren gun variants and the Indian Bren gun. I’m not sure why this was given to the Soviets first, since the Americans invented the gun, and the British most commonly used it, but I digress. It would help the British LMGs significantly. Although due to it being superior to the Japanese and German MGs, I should think it would be placed in BR III, and the Browning M1918 downtiered to Tier II to make up for the lackluster Bren guns in the overall TT.

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British troops operate a Lewis Gun, Singapore c.1941

It was most commonly used in the Pacific front, where the Bren gun could not be shipped out to replace the existing Lewis guns.

Moving on to the U.S.S.R, the first thing I would like to be added is the Winchester 1907. The 1907 was a semi-auto rifle originating from the United States, and privately shipped to Russia during World War I. Some were still in use during World War II. The rifle itself could hold anywhere from 5, 10, or 20 rounds, depending on the magazine used.


Winchester M1907 with a 5 and 10 round magazine

This would be a good semi-auto for low tier, in order to balance out the Armaguerra Mod. 39. The rifle was chambered in .351 Winchester, which has a simlar power to 6.5mm Carcano (difference of 300 J). The rifle itself also could not support a bayonet, and saw limited use. It would be good to add this to the Soviet TT, since most of their rifles are just Mosin copies tbh.

Second addition would be the Kropatschek 1884. This rifle of French origin was shipped to Russia to replace their Berdan rfiles, since the Mosin had not yet been invented. The Russians used this rifle in World War I and the Russian Civil War., and very rarely (and I mean rarely) in World War II.


Kropatschek 84 used by France

The rifle was the basis for the Lebel, with a 10 round tubular magazine, and similar bolt mechanisims to the Lebel. This rifle would probably be an event or premium, like its younger sibling, but its addition to the Tech Tree would be the best outcome (in my opinion).

Not much else can be added for the Soviets, except for a few other surprlus firearms from the old Russian Empire.

For the Japanese, a few more rifles could be added, since the Japanese TT is more starved than a Japanse conscript in Manchuria.

Starting with the Arisaka Type 30, a 5 round bolt action that was designed in 1895 to replace the older Murata Rifle, this rifle entered service with the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy in 1897, and was predominately used in the Boxer Rebellion and the Russo-Japanese War.


Arisaka Type 30 used at Peking, 1900

The rifle itself has a few differences to the Type 38, which is in game. Firstly, the sights are somewhat different, and the rifle lacked a dust cover. The muzzle velocity is slightly faster (765 m/s vs. 760 m/s), and the rifle used nosed bullets, rather than the spitzer (pointed) bullets. This rifle would be a nice addition to Tier I, since it and the Type 38 have little differences.

The second addition to Japan would be the Arisaka Type 44. This is a Cavalry Carbine Arisaka that was introduced in 1911 for use with the Imperial Cavalry, since the Type 38 was too heavy for them.


Arisaka Type 44, note the folded bayonet

The rifle is based off of the Arisaka Type 35, however with a few differences. Firstly, the stock and barrel were cut down, and a needle barrel was introduced, which could be folded to fit underneath the barrel, similar to the Mosin M44 Carbine. This rifle would be a nice addition to Tier II, since Japan most other nations have a carbine rifle in Tier II, and it would add a bit more variety to the game.

Moving on to the last faction, Germany, which, in addition to the K98k and Carcano variants, there are also plenty of Mauser variants which can be added. (Why does Germany have so many rifles?!?! Mein Gott!)

Firstly, the Mauser M1895. This rifle was exported mostly to Chile, however it was most notably used by the Boers of the Transvaal during the Second and Third Boer War.


Boer Mauser M1895, similar to those used by Germany in WW2

The rifle is different from most other German rifles of WW2, as it was chambered in 7x57mm Mauser, and not the standard 7.92x57mm Mauser. The rifle was very rarely used, notably by auxillary units and later the Volkssturm during the defense of Berlin. It would be a nice addition to Tier I as a foldered weapon, perhaps near the vz. 24, as the two rifles are somewhat similar.

Next up is a very well known German rifle, the Gewehr 1898 rifle. This rifle was an improvement on previous Mauser models, such as the aforementioned 1895. It would first see service by the German Volunteer Corps in the Second Boer War, but was most notably used in the Heroro Wars and World War I.

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Gewehr 98, with bayonet and ammunition

This rifle would be the basis for the Kar98k, and many other Mauser rifles produced in Europe. It would see service in World War II with auxillary units, and the Volkssturm (as most outdated weapons did). This rifle would be nice addition to Tier II or early Tier III, near its sniper variant. We already have the M1906 Warmod and the Sniper Gewehr, so adding the regular Gewehr 98 should be a breeze. All the Devs have to do is remove the large magazine from the 3D Model of the War mod, then retexture the stock a bit.

Lastly… um… well Germany is pretty full when it comes to weapons, so I think I’ll halt myself here.

Anyways thanks for reading, and feel free to leave your thoughts and criticisms in the comments!

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I agree with everything except having the lewis at BR2 and the lebel predecessor in the TT,lewis compared to other BR2 LMGs just isn’t fair,and having the lebel predecessor being TT for the soviets it just an insult to those who spent money to buy the old lebel riflemen squad,I wouldn’t mind it if it was premium though.

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Perhaps BR III then? I’m not sure what the Soviet Lewis gun squad is at.

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Yeah,the soviet lewis is BR3,it would be fine there.

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Cool. Sounds good, perhaps the Browning M1918 should be downtiered to compete with the ZB-26, and the Lewis gun made BR III to try and compete with the MG-34, but this is just my opinion. I’ll go ahead and edit the post.

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I agree. The M1918 should be BRII, and the M1918A1 and A2 should be a folder choice, or just do away with the A1, because it’s basically the same as the A2.

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It’s shame they’re both so heavy. Otherwise one of them could be transformed into SF or AR weapon (similar to federov/type hei auto)

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I also think the Lee-enfield Mk1 should still be in BR2, if it has 10 rounds

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Cause that’s the money maker. High Tier has all the whales. Gotta appeal to them to make more MONEY
Also it’s mainly been giving parity among the factions in V

That would genuinely be super cool

Ah, see, not possible. Why? Soviets. It’s already there, and clearly if it’s there and not here then it can’t be here cause it’s there. Just like the M3…I guess…
BUT, if it’s here then it can be there! Because Lend-Lease! Or whatever bullcrap they wanna use to justify giving the Soviets all of our stuff without even giving us all of our stuff…

It’d be nice

When’s the US getting some Winchester rifles? Shoot I’d even take some Remington if DF would add em!

It would be cool to see the father of almost every early 20th century bolt action in the game

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Idk that would be cool. Right now we only have weapons produced in Winchester factories and overpriced prototypes. I just thought that the Soviets would get them, since they were more likely to use them rather than the US Armed Forces, which had modernized significantly.

But yea the Winchester 1907, and some other rifles would be a great addition.

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Man I just want our own stuff in our own tree. Plus, lever actions are pure sex appeal. I mean just look at that thing. Mmmm. I want
But yeah, Winchester’s an American factory producing American weapons. Their products should be in the US/UK tree. It just makes sense. Not to mention that the US commercial firearms market is so huge, even back then, that DF would literally have a near infinite number of rifles to add to the Allies. Lol

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Americans did not deploy them at the front but only to couple of national guard/ militia units at continental US and Alaska at best.
The Soviet limitly issued leftovers from the Russian Empire to second-line forces and sometimes even frontline units in the first years of the Patriotic War because they suffered from logistic issues.
It is also not needed for balance.

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Discussion on topics please, there are private chat for personal argument

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Gotcha, my apologies about that.

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I would genuinely love to see this at br 1. .30-40 krag should probably have falloff like 6.5 arisaka, and the rifle fast to reload and fast shooting. Good compromises for br1

Not sure about this one, based on reload alone. All of the basic rifles are stripper loaded, so the long lees would need to hit hard AF to make up for that. I’m talking Mosin Infantry levels of hit power without the benefit of a fast reload.

Yeah, while I’d love to have a br2 allied lmg that doesn’t have a giant magazine obscuring the sight line, the soviet lewis is Br3, as is the most comparable proper soviet lmg, the DP27. i like the suggestions others are making about putting this at br3 and bringing the 1918 down to 2

This would be dope AF at br2, with 20 rd magazines, giving USSR something comparable to the m1 carbine. If it hits much harder, go for 10 rounders and it’ll be more like the armaguerra

This would be hilarious. Tube magazine would take forever to reload, but it’ll probably shoot and hit about like the berdan, which is mostly a meme

Just yes. But add the murata, too, as a BP weapon for the lulz.

It’s cool, but I don’t see the point. Adding this, they’d have to take the bayonets away from the base type 38 carbine (it couldn’t take a bayonet), and carbines don’t have much use in game IMHO. They hit softer, and don’t get reload or rate of fire buffs to make up for it. I can’t get excited about a manual carbine if they don’t do something other than a bayonet to make it worth my time.

I’m hesitant to be excited about more mausers, especially export variants showing up in the german tree. There’s plenty of them out there, sure, but Germany wasn’t using loads of them in either world war, and so many of them are possible weapons for a chinese tt that could be added later that I’d rather save them for that.

Same here, mostly. It would fit in the german tree, but I think would fit better in a chinese tree.

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Whilst on the issue of the Lewis gun, I did state this earlier.

For the Arisaka Type 44, I was scraping the bottom of the barrel, and I thought it was an interesting enough weapon to be added. Kinda like the Mosin M44.

And as for a Chinese tree, I wouldn’t expect that at all, since DF would probably not go there for political reasons, however I do think that would be a good idea.

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I’m not sure why it would be politically dangerous, and I don’t know that it would be good to explore that here, but China was the longest running conflict for ww2, only problem is they were only fighting Japan

The Communists and the current political state of today is why. It would cause controversy. That’s all I’m gonna say on the subject.

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I don’t mind ppl coming up with crazy variants cobbled together in the context of the WWII millieu, but the range of esoteric weapons available is now borderline ridiculous.

I wouldn’t mind so much if they had certain limitation on which squads could use these non-issue esorterics/ antiques /experimental or test weapons like the volkssturm , or as some ppl suggested perhaps some resistance or partisan squads - that should again be available for certain maps.

Because we all know there were plenty of Bedouins in Normandy or the Ardennes…

But given where the game is going - ie generic vanilla maps fought over by generic squads that just cycle through a mish mash of assplucked BR allocated weapons… the introduction increasingly more random and esoteric shit plucked out of the darkest corners of the google search is just messing with the last vestige of immersion this game still holds for me.

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But new guns are cool. Also mod makers will be thankful