I guarantee that the Chinese proxy version of Enlisted has an advantage that everyone will enjoy

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

Axiom 1: The difference in the total ability to cause damage with the same BR weapon (including a combination of factors such as firing rate, power, recoil, etc.) is smaller, and players using different BR weapons are more likely to cause imbalance
Axiom 2: Excessive number of live players will reduce EXP revenue
Axiom 3: Some casual players do not believe that reducing EXP profits is a good thing, and they do not want to be constantly in high-intensity matches. For them, games are just a means of entertainment.
(You can argue about the proportion of these players, but from my personal experience, these players are the majority)
Axioms 1 and 3 introduce lemma: These players will fall towards a strong faction with imbalanced weapons and exacerbate the imbalance.
Axiom 4: Imbalance in games can damage players’ mood and level of love for the game, which is not conducive to the healthy development of the game.
……
I think it’s almost enough.
Let me help you list the axiom X: BR ± 0 will disperse the player group. When the player group remains unchanged and the queue time remains the same, this will increase the AI.
But no one has ever argued that AI will increase to an unacceptable level, or that queue times should remain unchanged. SUS.

@Adamnpee

So your words are evidence now, good to know.

@Adamnpee

Not if you’re literally the only one here making such claims, lol

Interesting.

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

Of course, this strict derivation is unnecessary, and we can never reach a consensus on some parts that are difficult to prove with precise data. (Not to mention Goedel"s conclusion… well, this is a joke) I’m tired about that.
Just wait for the player to vote with their feet and we will know the answer. Steam will undoubtedly accelerate the arrival of the answer.

[Adamnpee]

I have literally no clue what you are talking about now. But whatever.

I’ve myself proposed ±0 BR mm.

The current BRs/queus policy is not honest with players and my suggestion related to it

To begin with, let me set the record straight. This game doesn’t have five different BRs, in fact it only has three BRs. Why, you ask? Because of the queues policy enforced by the devs. The way it works now is that our five BRs are only split between two queues. First queue (BR1, BR2, BR3) and second queue (BR3, BR4, BR5). Which in effect means that BR3 is the only one that can get into both queues. This means that BR1 and BR2 share the same queue, just as BR4 and BR5 share the same queue. Th…

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

Since that’s the case, why nitpick?
Many debates are unnecessary, just focus on the main content

[robihr]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

All your arguments are based on one premise: BR ± 0=Bot Farm
I haven’t seen any evidence.

you want evidence? stats from 2 months ago show 15% of bots at start of the game for crossplay on. now imagine adding 3 BR and you would get minimum 30-40% of bots on average.

so yeah bot farm.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

BR ± 0=Bot Farm
I haven’t seen any evidence.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Some AI is good, as long as they are not one-sided AI exp farms.

I I know. Not one-sided but at the end, you apparently cant cope with too many players because then its harder to make kills I guess.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Without a doubt, everyone only needs a small portion of the BR2, BR3, and BR5 weapons, and the other weapons are just a waste of time and obstacles, right?

Or actual players. 50% bots on average was fun.
You will always not use old/ useless stuff. Lets not pretend people still would use the Beretta M38 if they grt StG.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Political paranoia.

Nah, rather stupidity fron you because why should we care only about Chinese community only?
I will never ever use Red China again since it seems to offend you. Should make a list that doesnt offend you. Would be smaller.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

What is the relationship between this and the topic?

I dont know, man. Why are you always so serious?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

It is obvious that you are everyone.

Separate [1-2], [3-4], and [5] BR Matchmakers, no floater

I think it’s pretty clear that there are major issues with the current matchmaking system. Having the BR 3 slot be a floater that can make its way into either tier 1-2 or 4-5 only resulted in a compounding of the existing playerbase and balance of power issues. Axis players queuing into tier 3 can be guaranteed either a win from lack of opposition in 4-5 or a downtiered game they should be able to win easily, whereas soviet and allied players queueing into tier 3 can be guaranteed an uptier tha…

Br3 need it own queue

Right now BR5 is too OP compared to BR3 and BR3 is too OP compared to BR1 . So BR3 need it own queue or BR3 queue with BR4 only. Hope dev read this, Thanks

I know 18-21 likes isnt entire community, but I am yet to see that any of your stuff reach that count yet.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

seems that 5 BRs are just semiotic games used to mislead people. What’s the difference between 10 BRs and 100 BRs?

Of course but its also misleading to pretend that a game is healthy while 50% are bots and not humans.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Anyway, the number of queues is not related to it, and you think it’s reasonable.

No shit that 5 BRs doesnt mean 5 queues.
Still 5 main queues is stupid. Lets talk about that in a yesr or two.

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

queue times should remain unchanged

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

the player group remains unchanged

If you’re not aware that some players have left the game after Merge and don’t think Steam can increase the number of players, then you’re right

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

@CaptainSebekel

you apparently cant cope with too many players because then its harder to make kills I guess.

Alas, personal attacks are a skill you always use, but I believe you won’t be able to achieve 3 K/D (after merge). Since that’s the case, you don’t have the right to say that.

@CaptainSebekel

You will always not use old/ useless stuff.

Yes, so let HA disappear. No one cares, let the game become a low-end and weakened version of BFV.

@CaptainSebekel

Should make a list that doesnt offend you.

Undoubtedly, when you are insulted, you will persuade yourself to find your own problem and greet the insulter with a smile on your face.
I didn’t see basic respect.

@CaptainSebekel

I know 18-21 likes isnt entire community, but I am yet to see that any of your stuff reach that count yet.

I certainly agree that 3 queue is better than the current queue. And this cannot prove that those players oppose the 5 queues.
Unfortunately, people always like to reconcile and compromise, so it’s not difficult to understand why I say that.
Also, there is no obvious correlation between the number of likes and whether the topic is correct, especially since I usually post topics while Westerners are sleeping.
The vast majority of players would not even come here to say sth.

@CaptainSebekel

while 50% are bots

This is just your guess. See how I refute Robihr.
Moreover, there is not a significant difference between queuing for 10 seconds and 30 seconds.

@CaptainSebekel

Lets talk about that in a yesr or two.

Watch the fate of the game. I have always known that arguments are useless, and DF will choose its own outcome.

[Adamnpee]

@robihr

so yeah bot farm.

What’s difference between casual farm and bot farm? Bots at least build rally points.

Thus why I don’t see any problem adding 3 more queues. Especially since faction bias exist even now, in only 2 queues.
First month after merge, Japanese were steam rolling yanks. Now roles are reversed. Same goes for Germans vs yanks/soviets.

There’s no real reason to not add 3 more queues to make at least equipment balance decent.

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

If robots can build Rally and destroy vehicles more frequently, then they have already exceeded 50% of players

[robihr]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

If you’re not aware that some players have left the game after Merge and don’t think Steam can increase the number of players, then you’re right

stats from first week post merge

week at end of may 2023 (period 1)

week at end of october 2023 (period 2)

merge

further stats

Enlisted stats- postmerge edition

here is deeper dive into post and pre merge stats.

info about data and disclaimers:

data is datamined from json file from replay site. <a href="https://www.enlisted.net/en/replays/load/page/1/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://www.enlisted.net/en/replays/load/page/1/</a> there is only limited amount of information i can pull out of it. date range of merge data is ~7 days from time merge hit 04.12.2023 at 13:00 CET (GMT +1) to 11.12.2023 at ~13:00 CET date rang…

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

Dude, you’re stealing concepts (misleading) again. This is a good example of how to obtain erroneous results through error analysis of statistical data
The increase in the number of players is influenced by both the departure of players and the addition of new players.
Growth should have been more.
The decrease in console players has to some extent demonstrated how dissatisfied casual players are with this. Just a guess.

（I need to take a break. Let’s argue about this again tomorrow, since I have never lacked time. I just hope that the post won’t disappear due to some unfounded political content and personal attacks）

[robihr]

stealing concepts doesnt translate into english…

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The increase in the number of players is influenced by both the departure of players and the addition of new players.
Growth should have been more.

what growth? you have more or less same number of daily players every day.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The decrease in console players has to some extent demonstrated how dissatisfied casual players are with this. Just a guess.

nope. this game always had lots of players that play 1 battle in a week or month. half of those players counted in those stats have 1 or 2 battle played in a week. enlisted has pretty consistent daily unique playerbase of ~100k users.

you can check preview of playerbase activity here

Enlisted stats- postmerge edition

here are some player activity stats. it is for whole playerbase for those 3 time periods.

disclaimers

this is not accurate analysis. it is more of a preview on movement of playerbase. i dont have data on when those players started playing, how many battles in total they have played and when their last battle was played on. those periods of time that i have captured could be periods where otherwise active players just didnt play cause of various reasons. there are many more players that i have sp…

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

@robihr

what growth?

The merge should have brought growth, considering extensive advertising.
“Many players have already left” is based on my experience, and I cannot guarantee that this is a common phenomenon, which is also difficult to confirm from statistical data due to the above reasons.
I invited two friends to play after merge, and they quickly grew tired of it, thinking that the game lacked long-term appeal and balance, even though they still occasionally played it (about once a week to once a month, And usually team up to play to reduce imbalance).

Meanwhile, the pre conditions (playing frequency) for posting on the forum have already excluded many casual players. We should all consider this point. This makes forum data equally misleading.

[robihr]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The merge should have brought growth, considering extensive advertising.

nope. they were advertising even before the merge and merge was just for them to reduce server overhead and make games full of human players.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

“Many players have already left” is based on my experience, and I cannot guarantee that this is a common phenomenon, which is also difficult to confirm from statistical data due to the above reasons.

well i dont see that many have left… even those who said they will leave still play the game. also if people left new people also came.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

I invited two friends to play after merge, and they quickly grew tired of it, thinking that the game lacked long-term appeal and balance, even though they still occasionally played it (about once a week to once a month, And usually team up to play to reduce imbalance).

says absolutely nothing about the game nor players. some people like it, some not. some will play it, some will not.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Meanwhile, the pre conditions (playing frequency) for posting on the forum have already excluded many casual players. We should all consider this point. This makes forum data equally misleading.

do you know what you need to post on forum? iirc it is 2 battles per week (correct me if i am wrong). also casuals dont post on forum.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

This makes forum data equally misleading.

what forum data? if you are talking about stats, those were datamined from replay site.

[robihr]

@Adamnpee

Thus why I don’t see any problem adding 3 more queues. Especially since faction bias exist even now, in only 2 queues.
First month after merge, Japanese were steam rolling yanks. Now roles are reversed. Same goes for Germans vs yanks/soviets.

maybe if they included incentives for join any like they announced,such things wouldnt happen.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Alas, personal attacks are a skill you always use

Because you are best target for it.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

but I believe you won’t be able to achieve 3 K/D (after merge).

Before merge, you would face at least 30-40% bots, more depending on side and campaign.
So quite shocking to find out that real players are usually harder to kill than this Wish.com AI joke that still cant climb windows properly… unless you hang around Chinese client I guess.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Yes, so let HA disappear

Yeah. We should never forget that the A13 was used in Tunisia, even though it was already scrapped by that time, same goes to the OVP or dont ask how the Germans got rocket launchers in Africa. Also dont ask why the ZH appears in almost all campaigns despite at best being used by SS units.
Also dont ask why the Russians mass issue battle rifles from the Great War they lost in Finland or why the AVS is still issued in 1945. Also dont ask how the F2, the outphased 3B, the Mkb or the Kiraley made it to Moscow or dont ask why the Americans use outphased Springfields and M1 Bazookas, M2 Carbines, British weapons or the Jumbo on D-Day or why every German soldier uses a FG42… oh and dont even look at Pacific.
Prevail historical accuracy because the Fed was used in Berlin.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

No one cares, let the game become a low-end and weakened version of BFV.

CaptainSebekel:

I remember that BFV has bipods that work, better maps, destructable buildings and eventually managed to fix most of the bugs and their customization is weird but actually works and they dont demand 50 euros for paras you can only get through events or FOMO events and the grind was less painfull. So trulely a shame.
Oh and also lets pretend that people didnt spam high end in campaigns as they well… actually did.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

didn’t see basic respect.

I dont respect people that used alts to flag people and want purges.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

And this cannot prove that those players oppose the 5 queues.

If those people want five queues now, they would have actually said that.
I know, crazy I guess

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Also, there is no obvious correlation between the number of likes and whether the topic is correct,

If so, you would be always wrong from the gecko.
Anyways, you questioned that people want 3 queues/ another queue so Heil Himmler here we have it but now support by likes also doesnt matter because “it doesnt make it right”.
But that a) wasnt the point and b) wasnt the single point why one more queue is better than three more rn.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

I usually post topics while Westerners are sleeping.

Who cares when someone posts something unless its necro?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The vast majority of players would not even come here to say sth.

Pointless. Forum exists to give feedback and interact with devs. Obviously not everyone will join but its not a elite club nor does it make feedback here less valuable. Its also more valuable than literally saying nothing at all.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

See how I refute Robihr.

Pffff If thats the best you got, you really got lazy. Debunk numbers by talking in conjunctive and “my friends said…” is really next level. And what are even those forum stats.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

there is not a significant difference between queuing for 10 seconds and 30 seconds.

Or for 2 minutes and getting constantly bots anyways because bots are fun.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Watch the fate of the game

Halved the bots, removed pointless and stricting campaign system. Even after the countless bugs and weird economy its the best update in years after the update, where they decreased dispersion. Only add third queue or 1-2, 2-3, 3-4- 4-5 mm and then finally focus on fixing the long list of gameplay issues.
Im still waiting for those masses of leavers, especially since 90% of those predicters are still here.
With five queues instantly, you would only get bot matches back, which a lot of people outside China dont like.

[robihr]

@CaptainSebekel

Also dont ask why the ZH appears in almost all campaigns despite at best being used by SS units.

did anyone provide evidence about this? cause all i saw was anecdotal SS used it without any proof.
btw at least they are more HA than conders

[CaptainSebekel]

Yeah. Most sources mentioning it being in the Reich are forum posts linking to books or museums but even they cant say 100% whether it was the WH/ Wehrmacht or the SS, let alone saying where it was actually deployed (or if they just rust in a Heer depot somewhere in Gütersloh).

[Adamnpee]

@robihr

join any

I personally don’t believe this thing would solve anything. But that’s only my opinion. I would personally never use such feature and I don’t think it could be popular in any significant way.

But that’s just completely irrelevant speculation based on no data.