Have you been lucky to hit ammo rack? For me it always like this: 1 rocket hit turret top - yellow commander; second hit engine - turn it yellow, some fire; he retreat and repair - good as new.
Bombs work much better for IL2, spoted tank rarely survive. And german 250kg bombs are much better.
Its also POSSIBLE to kill a Jumbo through the front with a German tank but that doesnt make it not OP.
See directly above your reply. I wonât say Iâm not lucky. But to me luck is one kill every dozen or more attempts.
Last night I made 4 attempts (in a vehicle I havent spent more than an hour on) in one game to get screens for this other guy, first one I aimed too low and hit tracks (didnât actually hit tracks, splash damage did), next 3 were kills. So unless stars were aligned thatâs pretty consistent And direct hits were instant kills.
And thatâs been my general experience with them.
What do you use to aim may I ask, where is the gun cross hair in relation to the target you are strafing.
Ok, but what are you referring to as op. I donât get the correlation you are making. The argument for the most part (with one of the guys, that demanded proof. He was very vocal but disappeared as soon as proof showed up) has been about Russian rockets donât kill tanks period.
I missed this originally - but actually the RBS-82 rockets contain MORE explosive than the RS-82 ones - see WW2 Equipment Data: Soviet Explosive Ordnance - Rockets
RS-82: 0.4kg explosive
RBS-82: 0.48 kg
the 132mm ones are the âcorrectâ way around 
RS-132: 4.6 kg
RBS-132: 1.35 kg
Played for another Hour this morning. Using only rockets. Certainly not luck. Not a kill every time (due to accuracy), but reliable. The enemy teams stopped spawning tanks so I got bored hunting them.
Tally
4 Panzer IVs
3 Panzer III Es
4 Panzer IIs
1 Panzer III B
i said with an IL2 isnt the same as i153, its maneurability make it somewhat viable to use rockets because yo can turn closer to the ground.
i didnt mention the i153 because i think that the rockets are fine on this plane even if it can carry 4 50kg ones like the IL2
its like t26 and bt7 same gun but bt7 is way more effective thanks to the agility can go faster to better positions
compare apples to apples
i said that kill using IL2 with rockets its very very hard probably useless, because flight model of the IL2 arent optimal for these maps and how the rockets are modeled
and in IL2 rockets are more spread than those in IL2 look how they re mount that reduces accuracy increasing spread
now try the same in monastry or pokrovskoe with an IL2 without crash
germany planes can high altitude dive bomb with good accuracy and with 250kg you have a 5-10m of margin error and still you can avoid crash
PTRD even it is very inconsistent killing tanks are more consistent than IL2
you can eat a soup with a knife even with a chop stick but a spoon is better tool for that
even if you re the best eating a soup with a knife even if you re faster eating a soup with the knife than other people eating a soup with a spoon, still not optimal for the task
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Even if they has more TNT HE filler,my point still, isnt an anti personal warhead even if it has more HE filler.
new update probably it makes more difficult to kill a tank with rockets
This afternoon I had to grind Up to the IL 2 to use it again (CBT reset) And I played 3 games with it and was bored shitless. Not because it was bad But because there were no tanks alive to kill (the games were stomps), and Shooting down enemy stukas was easy with the 20mm cannons (While shrugging off any machine gun fire with the armour)
3 games with complete Air Supremacy because stukas could not match the IL 2 which in turn meant that Russian tanks werenât getting bombed, which in turn meant our tanks were basically spawn camping their tanks.
So if I misunderstand your stance I apologise HOWEVER I read that you called the IL 2 worth nothing, rockets worth nothing and slow, All because the stuka has more effective bombs. I take exception to that because
a. rockets clearly work (even if not easy)
b. 50Kgs are still effective
c. you completely ignore that while the stuka is easier/better at killing tanks, the IL 2 has other highly useful qualities that âTOWERâ over the stuka. (cannons and armour)
Do you realise thats âALLâ the stuka is. A bomb delivery system. Its machine guns do next to nothing (not to say It cant shoot down planes but my god it takes a while), especially to an IL 2, because of armour, and the IL 2 shreds any plane with those 20mms,
the IL 2 is not slow, she is heavy, Which means as long as you donât burn your energy and altitude with horizontal turns, She really moves, and she is really agile at high speed.
Anyway Iâm about done with that. The IL 2 is a great plane and she is very powerful If used to her strengths.
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3 games with complete Air Supremacy because stukas could not match the IL 2 which in turn meant that Russian tanks werenât getting bombed, which in turn meant our tanks were basically spawn camping their tanks.
is an attack plane not a dogfight one
it can be disabled by biplanes, if one its at your tail you cant do anything nor outurn, nor outspeed you wait until he and other plane kills you, thats it, end of air superiority now its time to be a ground target to 250kg bombs.
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a. rockets clearly work (even if not easy)
b. 50Kgs are still effective
c. you completely ignore that while the stuka is easier/better at killing tanks, the IL 2 has other highly useful qualities that âTOWERâ over the stuka. (cannons and armour)
- rockets sometimes in some maps could work against stupid tankists if you have at least one braincell you just keep in cover and if for any reason a plane knows where you are the cover will eat his rockets
but sometimes germany tankists because they have more armored tanks and usually planes arent a threat they keep the guard off thinking they re invencible. - 50kg are effective against ussr tanks and infantry probably against PZ2 but because IL2 isnt a dive bomber and lacks of visibility good luck putting these bombs where you want.
- ok sighly and marginally more armor, still doenst make this plane more effective just it can die later than other planes still very vulnerable to 20mm fire like flak and bf109 cannons and 7,92 a hit into the rudder or levators, next you re watching the ground texture quality.
ok two 20mm and sighly more armor clearly an OP plane that can destroy everything in this game
has the same gun loadout than the BF109 E7 and if wasnt sufficient it has 250kg bomb
this fighter has the same anti air capabilities and has better anti ground targets capabilites
, this is a joke.
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the IL 2 is not slow, she is heavy, Which means as long as you donât burn your energy and altitude with horizontal turns, She really moves, and she is really agile at high speed.
is a great plane as long as you dont move
look germany players doesnt even care to il2 they build aa guns to kill infantry because isnt a threat the only threat is for its user, wrong move you re into the ground its an attack plane not an scout or observation one (it even lacks of visibility) if you want to play as a observation drone im ok with that but i want to fight ground targets with this GROUND-ATTACK AIRCRAFT , against air targets yak 1 or i153 they re pretty good, even for ground targets i prefer i153 or yak 1.
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Do you realise thats âALLâ the stuka is. A bomb delivery system. Its machine guns do next to nothing (not to say It cant shoot down planes but my god it takes a while), especially to an IL 2, because of armour, and the IL 2 shreds any plane with those 20mms,
Of course the IL 2 the famous pizza delivery system, this GROUND-ATTACK AIRCRAFT was made to kill some biplanes and fighters its in his designation, who wants to kill ground targets? of course ussr doesnt develop this plane to kill armoured targets, its 4 100kg bombs and RBS-132 APHE rockets was only to scare germany to think that they want to kill some ground targets but in reality they just want to deliver some pizza to the germany forces
thats why IL2 cant have its 4 100Kg bombs and because you thinks is a great plane
and finishing of course you can evade rockets very easily just stay near to a building but try to evade an 250kg dive bomb or 500kg dive bomb
Give the IL-2 load out to Stuka and it will still be better at killing infantry and tanks compared to Soviet planes.
IL-2 gets every other advantage other than accurate bombing capabilities and load out compared to JU-87. Itâs the same comparison you have with every other weapon in game. PPD vs MP-40, Madsen vs MG-13, DP-27 vs MG34, T-60 vs Pz II The PPD is better than MP-40 while the MG-13 is better than Madsen, same goes for the MG-34. T-60 is wildly better than the Pz II. They are all better than the other factionâs counterpart but that doesnât mean the other cannot compete. They have to be used differently to be as effective.
The same goes for IL-2 against Stuka. IL-2 is a lot more well rounded as @Myrm1don stated. I played 5 matches and I saw players obliterating enemies tanks and infantry with the IL-2 while also shooting down planes with ease. And I saw Stuka doing a much better job at killing tanks and infantry as well but they canât stay alive if there is another plane in the air. Good balance at the moment.
You really need to let go of looking through the lense of IRL history and start looking at how it is in-game. Games omit certain details for a type of balance. Thatâs why you get gunsights for your planes and equal gun optics on your tanks. Give it too bigger payload it becomes better than the stuka in nearly everyway.
The whole point Iâm making is IN GAME it is a ground attack aircraft, it still does that role well, but at the same time it can defend itself and contribute to air supremacy. Thatâs the trade off which makes it powerful (this is in-game we are talking about)
Stuka = better ground destruction, canât really defend itself. One trick pony
IL 2= lesser ground destruction, easily defend itself. Versatile
You canât kill stuff if you are dead, which is where the power of the IL 2 lies
The 109 has a single 20m cannon with 60 rounds IL 2 has twice the fire power with alot more ammunition. Can fly circles around attack aircraft yes, but not nearly enough ammo to be as effective with current plane HP pool combined with IL 2 armor. Have you ever seen a 109? Itâs always stuka with the odd bf110.
I would say the IL 2 does the 109s job better the way the game is currently played because nearly no one picks fighters and plane HP pool
I get between 6-13 vehicle kills a game in the stuka currently and I was getting the same in the IL 2 CBT except half of them were planes (or all of them were planes cos there were no tanks yesterday) because I could and it helped the team. Shooting at planes in the stuka is last resort because itâs not good at it.
video or it didnât happen.
It is certainly better at shooting down enemy a/c than the Stuka - but âwith easeâ is another BS rating - I have sat on the tail of Stukas and 123âs and 109Fâs and blasted them with multiple hit markers and watching the tracers go into them and run out of cannon ammo - that is the norm - sometimes they will be so damaged they crash soon after - but it is common for me to need to pick up the smoke trail with my next reload to finish them off.
Of course the reverse is even more the case - the Il-2 definitely tanks 7.92mm bullets!!
It really is easy in comparison to nearly everything else. First round this morning Shot down 8 enemy air craft without loss (And donât say screen/video or didnât happen because I will fill this post up with screenshots like before)
HS 123 and 109s had a go several times but ran out of ammo doing no effective damage only to get shot down when returning for ammo.
IL 2 as it is in game atm is stupid good at air supremacy.
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HS 123 and 109s had a go several times but ran out of ammo doing no effective damage only to get shot down when returning for ammo.
Look if these planes cant kill you its because the pilot behind are bad pilots probably too focused into ground targets, once they get behind to an IL2, IL2 cant do nothing about it, the bf and hs can draw circles around you, if IL2 try to evade its guns starts losing energy, they keep behind you and now you re more damaged probably you dont die of a hit but your plane starts loosing mobility and the engine starts to slow down you keep losing altitude and speed, what happened next will surprise you
of course even if isnt killed and you can flight doesnt mean that the IL2 can do something once it gets damaged its ordinance becomes useless
even ju 88 at turning can sustain more turns before bleeding all energy while IL2 at the third turn lost all of its energy and you starts to losing speed and altitude severely
and even if they cannot shoot down using planes (which isnt true and very easy in fact) they still can use ground 20mm with great resoults 1 20mm round and the IL2 now is off the game, now it cant bomb run again or probably its flights capabilities are too damaged to keep flying even if you didnt hit the engine, while ju88 can eat some ground 20mm i hate them so much that i try to kill using AAs and there are ju88 that survived to quad 20mm frontal direct shoots and keep alive and next is an 250kg in your face every time i need to build 2 AA turrets with lots of separation
try to kill AAs using an IL2
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IL 2 as it is in game atm is stupid good at air supremacy.
is good against unaware players, as good as every other equipment in game when the enemy is unaware
once they want to deal with you they re as good or better than the IL2
80% of players are unaware mate (and thats generous). Thats good odds.
Did you really just link a video showcasing a 109/110 shooting planes flying straight and level as evidence of OPâŚLOL
An IL2 can be unaware too so what your point IL2 is too good because players doesnt stay alert, of course IL2 because at ground targets sucks its attention its on the enemy airplanes i been killed a lot of ju88(wasting of course almost all rounds at least all 20mm ones) because i try to kill them when they go to dive bomb, or when they go to reload ammo, and i try to get lots of energy before that probaly 1200m altitude at 215 speed, this can be done with every plane in the game.
so really. its a player problem, not a machine problem. Thatâs the crux of it. Machine are only as good as the people that use them.
Sounds like why there are Ace pilots, pilots with no score, and dead pilots. (thereâs your historic realism. right there)
Its a machine problen when you try to use as intended role as a GROUND ATTACK PLANE