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Where are you getting those stats from. All that is listed is the name of the ordinance, be it bomb or rocket (war thunder munitions stats or wiki don’t count). The rockets detonate on impact, they do splash damage, they go through to top 10mm armour of a panzer IV like a hot knife through butter,
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Precision takes practice. (again not as easy as a noob friendly bigger bomb or proper dive bomber. But the IL 2 isn’t a dive bomber)
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2 100kg payload drops (2x 50) still works. If a 109 and hs 123 can do it…
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your opening post requested bigger bombs…
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23mm or 20mm vs 2x 7.62 machine guns. Being pedantic about the 3mm, That is moot, Point still stands. Id take those cannons over machine guns.
If russians wanted air supremacy, they would get it with a fighter and an IL 2. But because people only rate vehicles on how many kills they can get easily, they dont value doing the team thing and keeping planes out of the sky. thats a PLAYER problem.
The rockets are RBS - which is the soviet anti tank rocket - you can find info about them on the 'net - they are a APHE shell - like the British RP-3 - the have a solid steel nose to penetrate armour - not a HEAT warhead - there is ample info about them through the university of google.
The first versions of hte Il-2 had 20mm cannon not 23 - this is also widely available info - look up the plane on wiki for example - the 23mm came in 1942 IIRC.
The 3mm is a massive difference - the 23mm round is 152mm long and fires a 196-198 g AP round at 905 m/s, the 20mm round is 20 x 99 and fires a 96-99g AP round at 750 m/s - if those numbers dont’ tell you anything then you need to do a bit more research before engaging in technical discussions about the effectiveness of weapons.
The Il-2 COULD carry 2 x 250kg bombs - but that is not an optin in enlisted.
All this is only wiki level research… 
ETA: I tell a lie - diagrams of the RBS 82 and 132 warheads aren’t on wiki - but they are not hard to find!
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I’m not engaging in a technical discussion. This is about what you can and cant do in game. What weapons do in game seldom has anything to do with any research you can find on wiki. Which I stated in point one.
The game says its something, but that doesn’t mean they have set it up to work that way. Especially if Panzer IVS can be killed from a 30 degree dive with rockets through the top armour, which according to “technically” cant happen…
20 or 23 mm you are missing the point. “IN GAME” 20 or 23 mm will deal with planes easier than 2 machine guns…
I mean jesus, if you want to go the technical route I might as well get upset that the JU 87 R-2 doesn’t have a 1000kg option. Do you really want to go down that path.
I’m not missing the point - you said the difference between 20 and 23mm was “pedantic” - it isn’t - it is considerable - and your statement about it shows ignorance.
And the rockets will certainly penetrate the top armour of any panzer in the game - no one said otherwise. And the side and front armour too - they are just hard to hit with and practice only helps to a degree since they have an inbuilt inaccuracy you cannot compensate for.
Changing the goalposts when you are shown wrong is not a way to get a point across.
The FACTS are that 50kg bombs and RBS rockets in Enlisted are not nearly as effective CAS weapons as a single 250kg bomb - no amount of wishing or inventing equivalences will change that.
No I said the 3mm is Moot because it matters not if its 20mm or 23mm…will take it over a machine gun
Actually the guy I replied to said you had to 90 degree angle for it to work…Which is who I was responding to,
You said PEDANTIC as well as moot - it is certainly moot - yes cannon are better weapons than machineguns - but you cannot get away from your ignorant statement.
The guy youreplied to made a stament that probably indicates he doesn’t have english as a 1st language - but the message did not say they have to hit 90 degrees - he said they won’t penetrate at an angle - the values are not well defined in his message.
If the point is Moot, and then he chooses to focus on a small detail about a moot point. Sure. pedantic.
Not getting away from anything I said. Sticking to it.
Show us a video, please
IL2 is an ATTACK PLANE no a dogfight even if has a GAU8 and can take any plane
his flight characteristics arent mean to fight another plane, it can?, sometimes, realiable? not
we re talking about using realism to balance gameplay not being OP
ok give ju 87 R2 its 1000kg i want KV1, T34s and KV2s in big numbers
and planes will need to go into a base and land to reload ammo and bombs
seems a good exchange ill take it
Then 90% of what you said us bravo sierra - 2 x 50 kg bombs are not as effective as 1 x 100kg, ther mare serious limits to the “recision” you can get wit hthe rockets - to the point where they are NOT precise at all, all hte soviet attack a/c were capable of carrying bigger bombs, and and he got the stats by looking at what hte game allows for heaven’s sake!
Sheesh - so much ignorance it’s painful!
Even this post has published the payloads but he doesnt care he just want germany to take air superiority
and thats it thats why he says
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I mean jesus, if you want to go the technical route I might as well get upset that the JU 87 R-2 doesn’t have a 1000kg option. Do you really want to go down that path.
when i read this part i realise that probably he doesnt care about ussr planes he just want to keep status quo of germany air superirority
No read it again. At No point did I say 2 x 50kg are as effective as 1 x 100, that’s you putting a spin on it to suit your angle of me being ignorant.
What I did say was that Its a 100kg drop (2 x 50). That’s not saying its the same as 100kg bomb. Also I said that a bf109 and a hs123 can do it. and guess what, they have 50kg bombs too.
I also never said that soviet aircraft weren’t capable of carrying bigger loadouts. I just simply said that it was still effective as it is with trade-offs compared to a Stuka “AS IT IS CURRENTLY IN GAME”. I am well aware that all planes ingame have many payload options, but they aren’t in game.
And I every made reference to how noob friendly German bombs are. So dont put that back at me either.
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The game says its something, but that doesn’t mean they have set it up to work that way. Especially if Panzer IVS can be killed from a 30 degree dive with rockets through the top armour, which according to “technically” cant happen…
Look it is very easy you can do it very realiable just take a video of an IL2 killing an PZ3, PZ38T or a PZ4 using rockets, not a kamikaze one.
and ill give you the point.
any video i dont care
If you could read between the lines, That was taking a stab at " I read it on wiki so it has to be in game".
Nothing to do with me wanting a 1000kg bomb.
Again reading what you want to read.
lol - 1000kg for the 87R is fine …if SB2 gets 3 x 500kg it could carry … a massive net gain for the Soviets 
So whats your point?
IL2 has in bombs the same payload as a BF109 (a fighter) this doesnt seems right
and not 2 50kg isnt equivalent to 100kg ones, even if 50+50 = 100
splash radius isnt the same
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What I did say was that Its a 100kg drop (2 x 50). That’s not saying its the same as 100kg bomb. Also I said that a bf109 and a hs123 can do it. and guess what, they have 50kg bombs too.
AGAIN: GERMANY TANKS ARE MORE ARMORED THAN USSR ONES, THATS WHY GERMANY CAN KILL TANKS WITH 50KG BOMBS AND USSR NOT, AND GERMANY PLANES CAN DIVEBOMB THATS WHY (AGAIN) THEY CAN TAKE USSR TANKS SOMEWHAT RELIABLE
It has less - 200kg vs 250kg!
NOOOO THATS NOT THE REALISM THAT THEY WANT
He could said this but not, just JU 87 R2
I SMELL A WEHRABOO
No my point is that 50kg bombs kill tanks. You have them, Germans have them. armor on tanks is 15-30mm on german sides, 15mm -40 on russian.
And since you cant comprehend points that I’m actually making, and insist on reading what’s not there and taking up an attitude, I will say this.
Nothing I said was against getting more stuff, Just that you are failing to appreciate that what you do have works. There’s a huge difference. You have sweet Armor and cannons (IL 2), all you see is German bombs, must have.
I Really don’t mind if you get all the things you “technically” could have. KV-1s, KV-2s. 3x500kg bombs etc etc. In fact, I hope you do. But saying that they aren’t worth it as they are is “ignorance”. (since you boys love throwing that word out)
The point is if you are stuck on the grass is greener on the other side with all the cool things in game at the moment (on both sides), and you fail to use the equipment well. You are still going to fail regardless of what else is added. You think CAS or a DETPACK is going to distinguish between a t-60 and a KV-1? good luck with that.
and before you know it you will be back to the grass is greener again, 20mm HVAP on German tanks, 75mm HEAT, 50mmPZGR/40, 1000KG bombs, flak 88s etc etc.
Here you go mate…done in a fighter plane so you know it was rockets and not bombs. 30-45 degree attack angle (easy to survive in IL 2)
Panzer II
and here’s a Panzer III B for you
And a Panzer IV…that covers all bases…
That’s 3 strafing runs from 1 game. That should be more than adequate for you to admit you stand corrected (as you said you would), and we part as friends. No need for resulting to attitude.
Or you could revisit that wehraboo statement, which would suck having a wehraboo using your own equipment more effectively.
Would you like me to tell you how I aimed the rockets…
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