Fedorov Avtomat for engineers

We have the FG 42-2 for the German engineers, the T 20 for the US engineers and the Typ Hei automatic rifle for Japan. All of them are awesome.

But the AVT 40 for the soviets and its horrible. Can we have the Fedorov Avtomat für the Soviet engineers?

And no. Im not a soviet main i play all nations.

Whats your opinion?

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Quite funny you mentionned this because there is already an event engineer squad for the soviets and germans that can use Assault Rifles, including the Fedorov.

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its not available for new players like me. Make it available to everyone also for new players.

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No thanks unless you let me to carry 9x STG44

But 6x FG 42-2 is ok? The soviet engineers are useless with AVT 40.

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FG42 is less reliable than STG44 so yes. You need some weaknesses you shouldn’t have the best guns in every single category.

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Does anyone remember the days premerge when AVT 40 was one of the best guns in the game? And yet People were crying about how broken the mkb 42 was.

Fast forward to today’s players, no changes to the gun, but ihe AVT-40 is “trash” :grin:

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power creeping is real.

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Yes right, AVT 40 is trash. FG 42-2, Typ Hei and the T20 are better, by far.

We have no weapons for soviet engineers. I love to use engineers and support my team with rallys and ammo boxes. But the soviet engineer has no usable weapons.

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If you’re talking about Stalingrad before , I agree with your, because Germany doesn’t have FG42 there yet, and can only use MKB42 that conforms to history. But don’t forget that the AVT40 is not as good as the FG42-2 in Berlin. In addition, the AVT40 is an automatic rifle and the MKB42 is an assault rifle. The AVT40 should be compared with the FG42-2, T20, and Typ hei. Obviously, the AVT40 is the worst, with only 15 rounds of ammunition capacity and the highest recoil

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Fedorov is powerful as an assault rifle, but not enough as an automatic rifle. If it can be “correctly” classified as an automatic rifle, its damage should be increased to 13.9, equivalent to Typ hei. The ammunition capacity can be maintained at 25 rounds as a cost for obtaining clearer sighting. The recoil should remain constant because its firing rate and power are relatively low.

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Indeed, the firing rate, ammunition capacity, and recoil of the AVT40 are not as good as those of the FG42-2. Although AVT40 has high damage, both can be knocked down with one shot at close range. Perhaps the only advantage of the AVT40 is its bayonet, so you don’t have to switch axes.

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soviets always have option of making fg42 worse than AVT40…

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No just in General. It was in both Stalingrad and Berlin (where it was against FG 42).

It was superb back then. And even now nothing has changed for the gun itself and the power creep (type Hei and T20) are guns that belong to nations that dont even face the soviets.

begs the question…How did something so good, suddenly become trash when nothing has changed for it…

By All means give the AVT-40 20 round mags, but to balance it out, FG 42 gets given higher damage to break the 2 shot body armor threshold :man_shrugging:

wont be long till they are just a copy paste of each other like the AS-44 and the STG-44

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Because you cannot discuss intensity without the environment. The AVT40 is certainly strong in Stalingrad, but it is weaker compared to the FG42-2 in Berlin and now. Sending a 20 round magazine to the AVT40 is certainly balanced and reasonable. If you want to increase the damage of fg42-2 to deal RARE plate armor, I also agree, as long as you increase the recoil of avt40’s firing rate to the level of fg42-2.To some extent, I actually wish they were copy and paste, because then the game would be completely balanced and we wouldn’t have to argue hard (although it would be much less fun)

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Good and bad are both relative, you cannot view problems statically, just like metaphysics

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apply that to everything and then all the factions are the same, and no reason to play more than one. soooo boring.

yes, Good and bad are both relative, Players are good and Bad, but Weapon Attributes and datamine arent statistics or metaphysics (being you cant “interpret” how a damage number interacts with a HP number, its fixed)

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Please do not take my comments out of context. Complete copying and pasting is certainly boring, but appropriate ones can help balance, such as the German rocket launcher for the US this time, the MP41 (r) and MP717 (r) for Germany before. The specific data of the weapon is of course objective and unchangeable (after all, we cannot travel back), but it can be chosen for balance. For example, the AVT40 has 15 round magazines, 20 round magazines, and 25 round magazines. Choosing a 20 round magazine for balance is reasonable, while the other two are unreasonable.And athough jagdtiger and Su152 are historical vehicles, they may never be added to the game for balance.

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Heres the Thing. (this is just a friendly discussion) IMO the AVT-40 is an excellent weapon and I love using it. that is relative as you say.

But Heres the bottom line that keeps coming up again and again and has no satisfactory response.

AVT-40:

  • Its a “guaranteed” 1 shot centermass kill up to 60 meters (regardless of any perk or cosmetic someone may have)
  • So with 15 rounds thats “potentially” 15 kills (not likely in full auto)

FG-42:

  • Requires 2 shots center mass at all ranges (dependent on a cosmetic item thats very easy to get your hands on for any squad)
  • So with 20 rounds thats “potentially” 10 kills (not likely in full auto)

The asymmetry being, The AVT-40 is better for close Range (60 meters) and the FG 42 is better for long range (greater than 60 meters).

So you tell me from the above from a balance perspective, Why does the AVT-40 deserve to have a bigger mag capacity given the current assymetry (doubling the kill potential of the FG 42)? And for the love of god dont say “good players, clan wars or nations soviets dont fight

Soviets dont fight USA and Japan like they are forced too in clan wars. Body armor doesnt work on T20. It does on the Type Hei but this has an even bigger mag

Any so called “good” player that calls a 1 shot full auto trash is full of shit. hes going to at least trade

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