Comprehensive List of Reasons why players quit out of Matches

[Chickydoodles]

That makes sense. I have Enlisted on an M.2 drive and things loads crazy fast. Always waiting 30s on match start lol

[Conscript_Joe]

Much less complicated:

I quit if I feel like it, for whatever reason. I play for my own enjoyment. My time is valuable.

I laugh at those that this upsets and are so entitled they think we owe them to remain in a match that isn’t fun.

There.

[BandytaJeden]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but life is full of things that we don’t like. so you must endure them.

games for most people serve as escape from life

to quote a classic
if a game is not fun, why bother?

sure there are dark souls fans that like challanges and enduring harships, not all gamers are the same

it’s a very weak excuse in context of videogames, especially enlisted which i think aims for wider appeal

why bother enduring thing we don’t like in our free time, when there are tons of actually FUN games to play

[ParaDivision]

i dont know why no one upvoted this post, very good work.

ill point out how this game still has no map choice mechanic, which forces players to use match “desertion” as a map selection mechanism.

this game can not succeed with a large playerbase when most new players will be annoyed as fuck because the game forces them to play maps they dont like.
i also wanted to leave after 2 months because the constant train mode spam in berlin made me lose any respect for the game and its makers, then i started instantly leaving every map i dont like and the fun in enlisted skyrocketed immediately.

[Ocean657]

Ping issues. Normally, my ping is around 100-170. But, sometimes it gets worse and if it does I just quit the match and stopped playing the game for a while.

[DNAmodsNP]

Regarding supporting these types of free to play model games, I never once considered supporting warthunder or crossout financially, didn’t even bother supporting Heroes & Generals or several other free to play games that I just did not like the practices and game enough

But Enlisted actually got me to support it a little bit within my means

So when I contribute to this forum with my opinion and experience, it is a big thing for me

Just happy that had a chance to have my say, probably won’t be far into the future where won’t even have a chance to think freely anymore

@ParaDivision

i dont know why no one upvoted this post, very good work.

Thank you, have my moments, it’s a fascinating topic for me

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@BandytaJeden

games for most people serve as escape from life

to quote a classic
if a game is not fun, why bother?

sure there are dark souls fans that like challanges and enduring harships, not all gamers are the same

it’s a very weak excuse in context of videogames, especially enlisted which i think aims for wider appeal

why bother enduring thing we don’t like in our free time, when there are tons of actually FUN games to play

rr-right.

so that justify to ruin your teammates fun just because you are butt hurted by a gamemode or a nitpick of yours that makes you rage quit?

i see no reason why you should quit something that you started other than actual real life " issues " urgency or anything that has to do with that soley reason.

the others, not so much.

because as much as people would like to point out " muh fun " i’d like to remind you that you contribute to ruin others fun by leaving. which becomes a circle and a plague of others leaving if not stopped.
( even op confirmed to apply to this ““strat”” because some moron on the forum suggested it )

hence punishment in place are the solution.

i suppose not everyone ( not even you ) care about the fun of others. which it’s fine. but then don’t complain about what’s coming.

because it cost you nothing staying and try to change things around.
heck, even more xp involved.

but you do you.

[DNAmodsNP]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

because as much as people would like to point out " muh fun " i’d like to remind you that you contribute to ruin others fun by leaving. which becomes a circle and a plague of others leaving if not stopped.
( even op confirmed to apply to this ““strat”” because some moron on the forum suggested it )

And I still deep down would rather we all didn’t quit matches so we could all benefit and have potentially better matches more often

but the reality just doesn’t allow it, people just won’t do it

I came to this forum to make a fuss about just that and as I put myself in the shoes of the others that supported the quitting, I decided to give it a shot, and I realized the power of it (joined the dark side ). I used to never quit, never. I was diehard to the bitter end.

and sadly yes it does ruin the experience for the others, and I honestly don’t know how you fix it

because if we severely punish as I was initially hoping, that would also ruin the fun for many

so you just can’t win in this situation, you damned if you do, you damned if you don’t

but at least with quitting each player makes their own decision and uses that as the only real way to find the good fun matches, whether that be stomps or close fights, I like close fights, and I too enjoy losses if it’s closely contested and I have a decent showing

[Conscript_Joe]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i see no reason why you should quit something that you started other than actual real life " issues " urgency or anything that has to do with that soley reason.

Refer to the OP’s quite large list of reasons, there’s plenty.

That you take the game too seriously and cannot fathom why others might not, is your prerogative only. Others, might think differently, and enjoy the game in a different way.

Same reason why some prefer customs, or lone fighter, or standard.

Differences.

Again, thinking others owe you to remain in matches they dislike, is a laughable concept.

We play for fun.

[_mortebianca]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

because it cost you nothing staying and try to change things around.

it cost time, will to play, and if you have premium quite literally money.

this thing “fun of others” why should i care? its my job carry my teammates? it my job to do 25 + deaths trying to conquer the point alone?, its my job to take out every fucking single tank while i try to conquest the point wwhile i build rp? no so my teammates can go fuck tehemselfs.

and i should do all of this for what? i get less xp from the game i get more stressed and getting absolutely destroyed again and again and again doesnt gave me and valuable game knowledge

i dont owe nothing to anyone, and yes i expect other players to think like this as well it is their right.

[Conscript_Joe]

Rather perfectly said. My thinking as well.

[BandytaJeden]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

so that justify to ruin your teammates fun

not even gonna comment on rest of projections in this comment, kinda rude, i don’t even desert, only 3 reasons (disconnected, me or anyone in party; berlin train mode, ruined berlin for me; real life)

but for real, what teammates, here are just 2 examples of what matches looks like, maybe you play on diffrent sever and in peak player times, but this is enlisted reality for not small % of matches

PvE tunisia matches, you are not leaving any teammates, because there are NONE

Peak stalingrad 2v10 matches, i only played beacuse i wasn’t alone

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i suppose not everyone ( not even you ) care about the fun of others.

but we do care, that’s why we point out issues where people desert.
even if i stop deserting completely, this won’t stop everybode else from doing it.

Now imagine those issues are fixed, we can all have fun then.
How can You not realize demanding me to stay in game so You can have more fun is kinda hypocritical. Instert stoopid why you care, it’s only game.

You respect my fun, i respect Yours

[_mortebianca]

@BandytaJeden

You not realize demanding me to stay in game so You can have more fun is kinda hypocritical

[robihr]

@DNAmodsNP

• the solution seems obvious to have players select which maps and modes prior to queuing up, but at the potential cost of watering down the players over more matches and requiring potentially more infrastructure to support more matches?

solution is not obvious. here are possible solutions:

1. hard MM rules (your “obvious” solution). doing it with hard MM rules will make this game PvE. there are 128 maps you could theoretically have 128 MM queues for every minute and half. game is currently struggling with 6 queues and couldnt support even quarter of the possible queues
2. favorite map. you can also preselect maps/modes that you want to play and favorite map out of 20 players will be played after MM makes its first MM. this has big disadvantage of possible limited map pool
3. soft veto. while similar to favorite map, you select map/modes that you absolutely dont want to play and then you play random map from least hated maps out of 20 players.

@DNAmodsNP

Uneven Teams -

this will be less of a problem post merge. globally there is little difference between numbers in opposite factions. they already announced rewards for join any, so if 5% of players join any you will have even human teams

@DNAmodsNP

Team not building adequate amounts of Rally spawns, maybe bots need to be programmed to build some?

overall i expect that there will be less bots post merge. also this is education of players problem and not bot solution.

@DNAmodsNP

majority of team are console players, pc players need a choice to turn off cross play

there is not enough playerbase for another split. you would have crossplay off (console) that is ghost town already, crossplay off (pc) that would be future ghost town and crossplay on that would have even less human players than before. no matter how i shit on console players, this is not viable solution before playerbase increases drastically.

@DNAmodsNP

MM bugged match (10v13) or worse 10 vs 15 as I have experienced - bug has to be fixed

10vs13 is max uneven match that you can have it. it is caused by stack of 4 players and when MM is looking for 10th player to fill the spot it grabs the stack and sees it as 1 player instead of 4.

10vs15 is more of a visual bug where at least 2 players have quit and their bots are alive, but cause one team is roflstomping the other team, those bots of players that quit are constantly alive. you can easily check this by number of deaths. active players will die, while that bot team will constantly have same number of deaths. only after bot team dies it shows that player as disconnected.

@DNAmodsNP

Game enters player late into a match, player doesn’t like not starting from the beginning of match, leaves.

there could be an option to block this behavior, but imho this is good mechanism. if player joined late match, that means it is replacing either player that left or bot. if he stays you get another human player and if he leaves you would get same bot that you would have if he never joined.

@DNAmodsNP

Certain players or groups - some players quit when they see certain players or groups in the match, either on their team or on opposing team. Guess you could have a block list of players you don’t want to play with, but this could significantly reduce the queue and player size for those players, again watering down significantly the pool of players. Creating similar other issues as some the above other reasons

i havent seen this before. usually players quit cause of stacks and not cause of certain players. going against stacks when playing solo is masochistic behavior.
and solution for stacks is non existent. you cant guarantee for 2 stacks to be in queue to match them against each other, you cant forbid players to stack up and you cant give them separate MM queue. this is just something that we will need to live with.

@DNAmodsNP

Not spawning, watching the team and not playing and then deciding based on the start whether to stay - can’t really do much about this, people going to do what they going to do. Can’t force people to play exactly as everyone else wants them to play.

there is 1 minute timer for watching before game kicks you out.

@DNAmodsNP

Seeing bunch of snipers or mortars on same team, instantly quitting match - They could introduce something like a cap, for example 2 sniper squads only at a time, similar to vehicles, but who knows, that might just cause those snipers to then quit, so you just replace one quitter with another quitter to satisfy one, over the other

i am against that. if team wants to play snipers and mortars that is their fun. nobody should force playstyle that they want on some other player, but i think that it is also fair to quit such matches.

@DNAmodsNP

Difficult painful situations experienced in the past - sometimes you played the game enough where it feels like you are in the movie Edge of Tomorrow and no matter what you do, you already know the result no matter what you do, so the only thing left to do is to quit. In my opinion the maps and objectives need to be larger and better designed to create more opportunities and alternative choices to break out of dead locks and farming situations, this would largely help with many other issues, whilst perhaps upsetting the group that likes tiny objectives

losing match is not a problem as long it is satisfactory. problem is in one sided roflstomps and you cant affect those without banning stacks and introducing skilled based MM and that would be death of the game.

@DNAmodsNP

Having too many noobs on same team whilst facing team full of experienced players or pre made teams - these are two reasons in one, and really the BR won’t help with that, since weapons alone aren’t responsible for player skill and player experience, player team work and even player disposition, sometimes a player is just messing around and doesn’t feel like being a tryhard. There is no solution for player variety, other than going full esports structure…but on a casual game where majority of things you are killing is bots, makes no sense to me.

BR MM will actually mitigate this in large %. you will have large part of veterans in high tiers playing their own game, part of the veterans in mid tiers and part of the veterans in low tiers. overall you will get less veterans per match than you could get now. also you are mixing skill and veteran definition. fps arent new genre and if anyone played fps before they can be relatively easy skilled in enlisted. veterans also arent all skilled. players dont need to be shielded from skill, just from unfair matches where you cant hurt enemy with your weapons/vehicles (aka stuart vs tiger).

@DNAmodsNP

Suspicion of cheater, exploiter either on opponent team or friendly team - hard to tell if it’s a bot often times, but when you see that most times the bots are hopeless and somehow you experience terminator bots or hacker player it can cause quits, even if it’s just the suspicion of it, doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, just the experience of it can cause quits. The bots were nerfed for this reason and need more work to help make them be more human and believable

cant say i noticed any cheaters. but considering how shit skilled vast majority of player is, i wouldnt be surprised if they called every above average player a cheater.

@DNAmodsNP

Suspicion or confirmed saboteurs, same as above, might not be actually on purpose but it can stimulate another player to leave, can’t stop people from fooling around, some will use flamethrowers on friendlies or throw molotovs or gas everywhere to impact friendlies, all kinds of team sabotage can happen such as aim blocking and shoving, and it pushes people out of that match

i have very rarely encountered deliberate troll. there needs to be votekick function for these kind of situations. most of the friendly deaths that happen cause of fire are accidental.

@DNAmodsNP

Spawn Camping situations - this can happen because of poor map designs but also due to the way some players play, whatever the situation if it becomes out of hand it’s a very good reason to just leave matches

i agree with this. this usually happens with tanks and not with infantry.

@DNAmodsNP

Failed spawn protection - sometimes it works, other times it does nothing, seems like something that could be fixed, but then there are other issues where the spawn areas are moved to where the battlefield is still happening, which is just poor game design, but can enrage players to leave a match. Solution seems to be to address the spawn location issues

it always works (unless there is some bug). only time it doesnt work is when you spawn on player made rally point and that is cause there is no spawn protection there.

@DNAmodsNP

Grey zones in certain maps are horrendous and ruins the gaming, some players just don’t want to have such restrictive imaginary limitations on the battlefield and if it wipes their squad when they are in a good position after it shifts it can be enough to send a player away from a match and the entire game, obvious solution seems to be to address many of those grey zone issues

not a quitting reason.

[robihr]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

" off peak times "?

what are you even talking about.

best time to seal club bots and newbies with end game equipment while they are equipped with starter ones. i mentioned before that peak times will probably have ±2 to ±4 MM while in off peak times anything goes unless they introduce some hard ±MM limit.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

still. qutting is bad.

i dont see it as bad as long as underlying problems in the game arent solved.
like map selection, bot heavy teams, stacks roflstomping etc.
i am happy that devs at least try to fix some of the problems and have some other problems under consideration for future updates.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@DNAmodsNP

And I still deep down would rather we all didn’t quit matches so we could all benefit and have potentially better matches more often

but the reality just doesn’t allow it, people just won’t do it

oh trust me.

when punishments will be line, the rest will fall with it.

@DNAmodsNP

because if we severely punish as I was initially hoping, that would also ruin the fun for many

so you just can’t win in this situation, you damned if you do, you damned if you don’t

but at least with quitting each player makes their own decision and uses that as the only real way to find the good fun matches, whether that be stomps or close fights, I like close fights, and I too enjoy losses if it’s closely contested and I have a decent showing

of course.

if you leave, then you are bounded to get punished.

it’s that simple really.

but in a game where it’s primarily made to be a pvp, someone somewhere will also have less fun than the opponent.

should we just give up and leave every game?

i hardly doubt that.

@Conscript_Joe

Refer to the OP’s quite large list of reasons, there’s plenty.

more like, excuses rather than reasons.

which again, it’s fine if you do, but you should be punished making you or quitters quit less.

@Conscript_Joe

Same reason why some prefer customs, or lone fighter, or standard.

except, no one complains when someone leaves customs. i dare to say, it’s fine to leave customs.

because you don’t know what to expect, and customs weren’t meant as a primary game.

there i can see reasons why someone would leave.

such as no liking the mods, got mislead, ( with the upcoming settings ) too many restrictions and so on.

but it doesn’t harm as much as it would in the normal matchmaker.

btw, i couldn’t care less if people leave or not.
i don’t take this game seriously.

i rather delete the issue out of the equasion that potentially ruins other players experiences. such as new players.

" oh yeah, join us in enlisted… where uh… players leave. "

i doubt it will be much fun to see people leaving you in the shit to do everything when you just started.

that’s how you kill the spirit of the game to begin with.

@Conscript_Joe

We play for fun.

sounds more to get it easy.

@_mortebianca

it cost time, will to play, and if you have premium quite literally money.

it really doesn’t.

it actually help you to get some xps from bad matches.

@_mortebianca

this thing “fun of others” why should i care? its my job carry my teammates? it my job to do 25 + deaths trying to conquer the point alone?, its my job to take out every fucking single tank while i try to conquest the point wwhile i build rp? no so my teammates can go fuck tehemselfs.

just as why should dev cares of people that leaves feelings?

hence, punishments are on the way for people who aren’t sportive enough.

so, people that leaves can go fuck them selves all they want.

@_mortebianca

and i should do all of this for what? i get less xp from the game i get more stressed and getting absolutely destroyed again and again and again doesnt gave me and valuable game knowledge

i dont owe nothing to anyone, and yes i expect other players to think like this as well it is their right.

that’s fine.

and punishments will be even better.

so there will be many less quitters.

@BandytaJeden

not even gonna comment on rest of projections in this comment, kinda rude, i don’t even desert, only 3 reasons (disconnected, me or anyone in party; berlin train mode, ruined berlin for me; real life)

it’s not really a projection. it’s laying down the pattern.

@BandytaJeden

PvE tunisia matches, you are not leaving any teammates, because there are NONE

Peak stalingrad 2v10 matches, i only played beacuse i wasn’t alone

which in less than a month shouldn’t be an issue anymore.

so i don’t really see the point here.

@BandytaJeden

but we do care, that’s why we point out issues where people desert.
even if i stop deserting completely, this won’t stop everybode else from doing it.

punishments would.

@BandytaJeden

Now imagine those issues are fixed, we can all have fun then.
How can You not realize demanding me to stay in game so You can have more fun is kinda hypocritical. Instert stoopid why you care, it’s only game.

because majority of what is being presented an issue comes to the person it self.

i suggest you to actually read what op posted as much as similar topics.

it just comes to the player, not the game issues.

so it’s more about those individuals being selfish and not really there to play but to farm bots.
which it’s fine, it’s kinda the premise of the game.

but there shouldn’t be easy way out because people are not able to take responsabilities ( or blames ).

@robihr

best time to seal club bots and newbies with end game equipment while they are equipped with starter ones. i mentioned before that peak times will probably have ±2 to ±4 MM while in off peak times anything goes unless they introduce some hard ±MM limit.

i see.

but isn’t the merge supposed to fix that? how is op comaplaining about that.

@robihr

i dont see it as bad as long as underlying problems in the game arent solved.
like map selection, bot heavy teams, stacks roflstomping etc.

yes.

but has somewhat little to do with quitters ( ish )

that’s just on them.

and speaking of those three, that’s what we should focus on.

not half baked rants on whatever is above supposed to be.

beside, amusing opinions but you chaps ain’t really gonna change my mind and i’m usually open about things.
if anything, once again you make me believe in punishments even more.

so that it would set an example to get some standards around here.

[DNAmodsNP]

Anything that involves voting, I’m out. I don’t trust a mob or group with what should be my personal choices, this would inevitably end up like the BF3 situation and I would just leave and it would be a great way to kill the game

When I mention uneven teams, I am not just talking from a population stand point, I am considering all things that create that, not just equipment either, since that is all the BR is focusing on and why it’s a disaster for me

Also we have already discussed that having less bots has no impact, and I have proven that to myself by playing in bot heavy campaign and playing lower bot pop campaign, anyone can test this for themselves through playing a lot, instead of just looking at stats that are watered down and spread out and due to averaging out over the entire game

The cross play option I was thinking of would be optional, so it’s wouldn’t be forced, so each individual player can choose for themselves. Personally I haven’t even felt that playing with console players is an issue, but each player can decide for themselves, so I’m sure there would be a good amount of people that don’t care enough to switch cross play off

the 10 vs 15 we also already discussed, wish I had taken a screen, but as I had already said there, there was no disconnects, and it was like that from start to finish of the match

you don’t have to live with anything, some people have quit the entire game because nothing is done about matching premades vs individuals so quitting matches is only logical if they do want to spend time looking for better matches

well we have accepted a limit on 2 aircraft and 2 tanks, what is the issue with limiting mortars to 1 and snipers to 2 and flamethrowers to 1 ? for example?

so you acknowledge that MM based on stacks and skill would be the death of the game, but somehow doing it with weapons, gear and vehicles isn’t? Your logic here is a special kind of logic that I guess can only be described as a special kind of unfounded bias. But at least own up to it.

I don’t see how you will get less veterans per match in the BR system at the top tier, if you are a veteran playing end game now you are pooled vs the entire population of the game in your campaign, in the BR system if you are queuing at the end game BR, you going to largely be queued against only vets, your logic is once again completely deluded and basically BS

So you are ok with a vet smashing a noob because he is a skilled vet or surrounded by his elite skilled vet gang, but not with superior gear, as if that makes any real difference really, being dominated is being dominated. Whether they are using an STG or a grease gun is not really the point, and this BR won’t stop vets dominating noobs at any BR they choose to play

votekick is another horrible idea and you would know that if you experienced how heavily abused it was in several games where it had to be removed because of peer group abuse and in games where it hasn’t been removed, it continues to be abused by the dominant groups and creates issues. Just look at Post Scriptum where they can basically tell you what class you have to play because they run the squad and server, or in games like foxhole where it was the most insane thing I ever witnessed with group abuse against individuals

spawn protection on game hard spawns don’t always work in this game, it is surprising if you never noticed this

[DNAmodsNP]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

oh trust me.

when punishments will be line, the rest will fall with it.

I believe so, but then what is the cost of losses from that

will be a lot of players that will just leave the game after that

@ErikaKalkbrenner

should we just give up and leave every game?

not every game, just the ones that are no good and until we find a good one

it’s just the widely accepted culture of this game and no other way to do it

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

regulars over quitters?

i doubt people who boot up a game just to leave it because it doesn’t please them accordingly will impact that much, but we’ll see.

i’ll die on this hill if i have to.

full order 227 active.

not one step back.

[Conscript_Joe]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

btw, i couldn’t care less if people leave or not.
i don’t take this game seriously.

But:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but you should be punished making you or quitters quit less.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

when punishments will be line, the rest will fall with it.

Sure Erika, sure… You “couldn’t care less” but at the same time are so invested in the matter that you hope other players receive harsher punishment for not playing the way YOU like.

Normally, you have sensed topics.

But this time, what you say is laughable.

Instead of your petty vindictive wish that is to punish players more, the OP tried to propose solutions to make the game FUNNIER (correct flaws making ppl leave) should be done.

And a POSITIVE enforcement, like bonus rewards for loosing team, so they don’t waste their time.

If you’re so sour that not everyone think your way and desert for whatever reasons belonging to them, then just stay in customs