Again, completely out of context. These clans are deliberately trying to interfere with the whole concept of the game.
For example, by downplaying the importance of vehicle gameplay, since they themselves don’t even consider this aspect of the game to be important (for their clan vs clan matches). Rather just a sort of add-on that doesn’t stand on its own. And they literally actively insult anyone who cares more about this aspect of the game than they do.
Which is utter nonsense. Because in that case the ratio of unique weapons to unique vehicles would be much higher in favor of weapons. And that is simply not the case.
Especiatly if they are granted theyr own game mode where they can do what ever they want in competive way.
Then its entirely irrelevant what they think about the core game.
TIL asking for balance to game mechanics is at the “expense” of players. Wild take, that. We don’t like Greyzoning and vehicle cycling, as they’re low skill squad delete buttons. Every other combined arms game has ways to counterbalance the impact of vehicles. Enlisted doesn’t, so we are vocal about it. We don’t like Gl spam for the same reason. DF is fortunately nerfing that. We want to use guns in a game that is still very gun centric instead of getting blown up 24/7. Getting HE’d occasionally is fine, but when it’s incessant it’s just lame. We don’t want to remove vehicles, but we definitely want their impact balanced. High risk, high reward is better than zero risk, high reward. We think killing vehicles should have an actual impact on the battle flow instead of “I’ll just spawn another one lel”.
It’s apparently a wild concept that people who play the game be vocal about the game and their experiences in it.
Countering your delusional projections about us with actual facts isn’t lies either btw. You just let a offhand insult in game (which I’ll own up to, I was bored and it got the expected funny reaction) live in your head rent free for over a year and formed a core part of your personality about that lmao. I was solo queued that game btw.
downplaying the importance of vehicle gameplay in clan matches
Adam having no idea what he’s talking about yet again. Reduction of vehicle slots allowed isn’t equal to downplaying importance. Vehicle positioning in clan wars is very important and it has determined faction selection and player roles heavily.
but your own stupidity and straw man argument couldn’t hold back.
so… sure. i’ll entertain your notions and disprove every single point of yours.
irrelevant to those who do not care or can’t be asked like your self
because that was an example.
one of many actually.
and it even comes from you.
" what prevents X or Y to make their own custom games ? "
precisely that. no one and not a thing.
outside some controls and rules to enforce bad actors out.
something that we have been over in the past yet you struggle to grasp the concept of it.
but ideally, the equipment selector would have filtered some of said bad actors out.
and correct people who would have gone against said rules.
or genuine mistakes of having it left in.
which the equipment selector might have born out of HA requests, but could be utilized by clans too.
especially the kind that the u45n and evas hosts with their own sets of rules.
granted, they do behave better than most people.
and as far as i’m aware, never had one incident due to self decensy and discipline.
i mean. what do you know if you haven’t even bothered to check?
i could be lying to you in this very moment and you wouldn’t even know beside being butt hurt.
you haven’t really provided anything remotely useful in this conversation other than straw maning my argument with older views that i had.
so… mr ,
i highly suggest to read,
crazy concept for you, but i used a comparison.
you know, those are often used in discussions to prove a point.
again, what do you know about it?
you’re making literally assumptions with no proofs.
literally one of the biggest community. and that’s all you can come up with?.
you literally have no points lmao.
but keep at it ken.
i may not know how such system would work.
as there are many out there.
but i do know that appealing to less than 5% of the playerbase is not beneficial to 95% of the people.
instead, customs and mods carter to way many people as they can literally include more than 50% of the playerbase.
now. how can i be certain?
i can’t.
because it’s primarily around the " potential ".
but if have to go straight to numbers, from what i can see, daily custom player count already surpasses the amount of numbers of clans.
so… you tell me hun.
the “burden of proof” is not on historical communities bucko.
but numbers of customs users opposed as clans.
so far, the first have more than the latter.
and would you look at that.
you have your proof right there.
as long you are bothered to even check it though.
not at all.
because you being ignorant of the numbers and literal evidences between your own eyes, you can’t even comprehend or grasp the numbers disparities.
awwww poor uncle T has reading difficulties.
must make like difficult for you.
if people could already do that in customs, would they keep asking for said customs to improve?
maybe… people ask for stuff because that very this is not currently possible to do?
crazy concept for you as well?.
can you show my " ha larping " that you ?
no seriously. as a side tangent. what are you even talking about ?
but with that aside, there’s literally nothing about what i said that it’s hipocritical.
maybe you should look inward.
well no.
there is no such system.
but i am not surprised that you know nothing about what you talk about.
after all, it’s your own signature.
who could have guessed that improving clans would only benefit clans.
but i seriously struggle to see how improving clans would improve customs.
then you would irrefutably understand the discrepancies between customs number of users, compared to the tiny fractions of clans users.
that’s somewhat understandably true.
DF has shown through out time many incompetences that it’s hard to overlook.
( nor one should ).
but just like your friend would say:
" what prevents you from creating separate rooms and host more customs there ? "
type of argument.
no. you are fine.
and yes. it is atrocious.
it is one small victory.
but there are still miles to ago.
and i truly mean no harm or disrespect.
but customs still needs the equipment selector, the playlist map selection, lobby name, more features and better syncronize servers with mods that would do nothing than help both those who wants to play something different from the base game of enlisted, while also allowing so called “competitive” matches to be hosted with more features. such as the free visuals and what not.
because right now, you would just create specific improvements for the clans yet no MM in sight and what not.
while starving even more the already starving mods digests, mods improvements and features or customs folks who doesn’t really benefit from clans in the first place.
i hope i am making my self somewhat clear.
sure. most of said games have pvp communities based on the pvp nature.
but… as much they have their dedicated spaces, some of them ended up being detrimental to the entirety of the communities. to a point ( for example, Wot ) you had to be in clans or you wouldn’t be able to do much. and it even overshadowed the base game to a point of being unberable.
it became a necessity.
and is that a benefit for everyone else? no.
point being, enlisted does not need more competitive ness as the nature of the game is very asymetrical to other pure competitive games.
but i understand it’s an opinion like others.
personally, i just dont want to see repeated fucks up after another.
as df seems to not lack those either.
but that’s why enlisted is the way that it is.
it appeals more people. wheather they are good or not. and in my opinion, it shouldn’t really change.
granted, most people are sloppy and can’t even stay on a damn point nor build rallies, with way too many snipers. but if that’s the way they have fun, should we really change that?.
as for clans, we have somewhat the ability to host stuff on our own and play with the people who we want. all it lacks, are more stability improvements ( which the previous ones did numbers. ) but still not enough as it goes for rules, changes, more and more. even a free roam camera for people to see in real time and what not.
which again, benefits everyone and the clans them selves.
yes, which it exists already. and can be handled there without further resourches from the main game.
there’s so much to do and feels like not many people actually doing it.
which it’s why i believe once again further improving customs would do nothing more than improving customs for everyone.
( side note, a global chat with the enemies is present for mods. but not in the base menu… )
mostly due to taking years to implement fixes and stability things or even features. hence such time should be spent with aimed changes that benefits even more people beside a %.
anyway, as much i would love to continue. but shift is about to start.
catch with y’all maybe later.
I think it’s more like you fail to read. plus you’re building this whole thing on some premise that they’ll ever get their own separate mode. Which is pretty unlikely with the size of the playerbase of Enlisted.
Much more likely is that customs will adapt more to their needs. If even that.
Nope. It makes perfect sense. You just don’t want to admit that it does.
Well yes, because customs is a game-supported mechanic. Anyone can see custom games when they log into the game. Clans have to be found either through the Reddit/Forum post made a few months back because there’s no other way to find clans save for the off chance that you find a clan member in game; and even then getting to their discord is a pain.
Not sure what this is saying in regards to the statement. Can you clarify?
None taken, and I’m not gonna block quote the following paragraph for my own sake. I agree on customs fixed needed. DF desperately needs to fix a lot of things. I personally do think social frameworks should take priority, but I will admit my own biases because that’s more of what I am interested in. Ideally DF would take some time to fix whatever issues they got going on that doesn’t allow them to even get a BP out in time, and could address both at once. But I think that’s a pipe dream. I think we both have valid issues and requests, and I think I’d be happy to just shake hands and say “DF work on both, I don’t care which comes first, just freaking support the player-led projects.” I’m fine with more customs/mod support coming first; I’d just like DF to say “Yes this is something we are going to work on” instead of the definite maybe we got from the Road Map nine months ago.
I disagree, but this isn’t a WoT forum so we won’t go there lol. (I will admit I was on a strong global map clan for a while, but I had plenty of good experience without it; save for times I ran into the odd MAHOU platoon lol). But for the overarching topic, my major intent behind clan advocacy is just for community in general. We have a decent chunk of casual clans in CH, and I’m more than happy to have them, because I think anything that brings players together helps the playerbase as a whole. I’m not asking for something like the global map in WoT or DF sponsored events (tho it would be fun).
granted, most people are sloppy and can’t even stay on a damn point nor build rallies, with way too many snipers. but if that’s the way they have fun, should we really change that?.
To a degree, yes I think so. Because it’s a team game and dragging your team down with negligent performance ruins the game experience for others. It is one thing if a player is new and doesn’t understand mechanics. But at a point it just becomes willful incompetence. For example, having a dude knowingly bring 3 squads of 1903s to BR 5 just so he can run his Beaufighter, and cycle through his minimum-sized BR1-equipped squads to get back to it (this actually happened) shouldn’t just be tolerated. It’s effectively active sabotage of their own team by burning tickets. The same goes for snipers or GZ tankers. I have nothing against a sniper or tanker that plays forward, supports the objective, and generally tries to help their team. Most importantly I care about getting another rally up, but also some base situational awareness isn’t too much to ask for, is it?
Agreed on all above. Tooya had made a post for spectator mode a month or two back as well, but idk how much traction it got. But like you said, it takes DF years for simple fixes.
And these gentlemans have done so.
Clearly, there is then people intrested of it.
Unlike your HA group that is based on nothing but your trustme bro arguments.
And these gentlemans have done so ?
Whats your excuse ?
And again, these gentlemans have done just that.
While apparently this group of yours, that is massive and significant but cant tell what weapons to use in 1940 settings.
See the differency ?
Again, not exactly my burden to prove your unicorn group exists ?
Subject clans
“Bawwwbawwww but my entitled ass did not get HA mode for me and my 2 friends :(”
Tell me again about that useful take of yours.
And what did you prove ? That you are still salty because you failed to prove ppl intrested of HA exists or because you werent considered as worth of anything since you did not do anything ?
Unlike clans, that does exists
Does play with poor custom settings.
Cool, so why are you still butthurt ?
Im sure 95% of players benefits greatly, once we get stacks out of regular game mode to clan mode.
You know, the e-pp comparison and all of clans & regular stacks.
Well since this is a argument of something that I wouldnt expect even from your and adams child, let me play along.
How can you prove majority of custom players arent actually clan players ?
I mean we can go even further and say I believe most people are competive because they play a game where one team wins and one loses.
Existing active clan scene - / - Trustme bro HA scene
“bUt bUt nUMbErs”
Perhaps you should ask these clan gentlemans assistance ? For some odd reason they can do just that what you fail to do.
Again, proving its somewhat worth the effort group rather than the group that cant figure what to bring to 1940 fight.
Sorry, forgot to who I was replying. Should have made a coloring book about the subject.
Anyway, that was generally about competive modes. Aka in games that has one and so on.
Didnt really think ive got to spell out that one too.
And obviously everyone else, as then we can limit people to max of 2 in same squad in normal game mode.
well no it doesnt, since theres more custom outfits than smg’s.
Yet this game aint about dressing up is it ?
And fair share of so called vehicles are nothing but lazy ass additions no one asked for.
No one needs 9 different PZ3’s. Majority of them could be easily erased or foldered.
Nice mental gymnastics.
Once the skins is going to end up in the tech tree, let me know.
Also, just look at the ratio in which weapons and vehicles are added every major update.
No, here you just see how much you live in your bubble. And how much you disrespect those players who are interested in different aspects of the game than you.
Literally an argument that could be applied to a lot of infatry weapons from the perspective of someone who is primarily interested in meta and unique weapons/stuff.
The problem is that a lot of players of this game have a completely different philosophy than you when approaching the game.
For example, someone may only focus on collecting their favorite weapons and vehicles or whatever.
But the problem is when players like you just stop respecting people who have other interests. And they start aggressively pushing for changes to those people’s favorite game without taking them into account.
In this exact case, cosmetics are about usefull as those 9 different & useless pz3 variations.
But but mental gymnastics.
I kinda still fail to follow your mental gymnastic logic here.
Even if they added another 20 pz2 models to game, it doesnt magically become useful.
Or that this game would revolve around your view only, like you seem to like to think.
Arguably fits even better to you.
Like e-pp comments and what else you earlier said ?
It’s always amusing to read some of the baseless claims about clans and EVA.
But @ErikaKalkbrenner just so you know, the update customs rules/settings/etc is part of the clan mandate as well. For us the priority was:
Custom game stability - DONE
Basic social & clan system
Custom game setting improvements
We did recently push for a live spectator system due to the recent and upcoming events hosted by Sjf (with the idea that it shouldn’t be too hard to implement since they already have a rudimentary version when you can no longer spawn as attacker); however, the above remains unchanged.
We are happy to support 3 coming before 2 and will gladly like and comment on your posts to boost visibility and support but you have to let us know about it.
That’s another benefit of the clan hub, it lets us organize and provide consolidated feedback with support from a group of players. It led to the Open Letter (of which many things did get implemented) and Custom Games stability being fixed. It also allows for the CM to have a group to reach out to in order to provide testing and support. When they wanted to fix the Custom Game Stability, Major asked us to play 10v10 customs and have everyone experiencing issues submit their clogs and make bug reports which helped the Devs ID whatever was going wrong and fix it.
The more people involved, the more the wishes of the community will be represented, speaking from experience when the Open Letter was being put together, it wasn’t just EVA and U45N driving the ship. We met with the people in the hub and discussed in various CC discords and with Major. Even if we disagree, that doesn’t mean someone else’s opinion isn’t valid and many things were left out of the open letter that EVA/U45N wanted because there was pushback from other parties and it was a collaborative effort.
Anyways that’s my long-winded spiel because I feel like we generally align and it’s silly to butt heads so much when we both want a lot of the same things and should collaborate on pushing DF for those changes.
Pretty much exactly what you are doing here.
But I guess with somekind of mental gymnastics you manage to justify it.
And they shouldnt be in the same game.
Clanners that actually know what to do can heavily affect the outcome of the game, hence the own game mode for them would make the regular gamemode much more pleasant.
Also, give a solid reason for limiting stacks.
And ? As it has been proven any game can be competive if it just has like minded people.
Apparently there is.
Sure I agree, I dont consider this as competive game, but who am I to judge a group that has proven to exists and so on.
Dunno, so far these gentlemans have provided valid points why they should receive theyr own mode.
While your arguments revolve around your own views.
Very much the same thing you earlier moaned about
Well I still have a screen saved somewhere when inmatch Gladiator randomly started insulting me to the forumtard and other similar nonsense
I didn’t even know who he was at the time. That’s why I was so intrigued, and made a screen.
Only later I found about who is and your clan.
But I get it, I’m definitely making it all up. and everyone else who’s had negative interactions with your clan is definitely making it all up too. It’s all just baseless.
Even better, dont reply at all ?
So far, you haven brought anything even remotely relevant or something that could be considered as intellectual thought.
You are doing exact same things you are bitching and whining about for others.
Thats what the forum is for.
Clans can only represent a small fraction of the player base that plays in groups while most of Enlisted players are lone wolves, their only way to express their opinion is on the forum.
Community managers should take little to no feed back from clans due to their closed and limited nature that promotes the opinion of the higher ranking clan members, a clan’s opinion no matter how much effort they put into hearing every opinion will always be less diverse than the forum.
From what you’re saying, it sounds to me like I made you very frustrated. Because you failed to win this debate. (That’s not to say I won it. Rather, the debate ended before we could come to any reasonable conclusion.)
And now you’re just spamming these universal insults as you’ve run out of arguments.
There was no debate to win.
You are butthurt, because some clanner once insulted you. So none clanner opinions can be taken seriously due to such childish insults.
And here you are spewing same absolute passive agressive insult BS you moan the clanners do.
Everything you whine about, you do in next sentence yourself.
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plus you’re building this whole thing on some premise that they’ll ever get their own separate mode. Which is pretty unlikely with the size of the playerbase of Enlisted.