indeed.
and most of the time when you call them out " b-b-but it’s for the friendship!!11! "
despite being the most obnoxious people.
and yes. it takes one to know one.
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I literally have never said in my life that I don’t like clans. 
You’re just trying to argue using made up nonsense without even trying to comprehend what we’re saying here.
And then on top of that you just confirmed that we’re right:
No comment.
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Maybe there is a correlation between most people playing solo because there is bare minimum ways to communicate or create social spheres? Mindblowing, I know. With 2/3 the platforms only having the chat wheel to communicate and zero ways to talk outside of match there is virtually no community building. Mods/customs have official support, so duh they’re more popular right now, because the Reddit and Forums part of the community is a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
Given your own clan’s behavior
Calling bad takes bad, or known bad players bad, is just stating a fact. Because yes, there are good and bad players, most in this game being overwhelmingly bad. Yes, we will deride fodder-level gameplay and mechanics (ie GZ camping, vehicle cycling, GLs). We generally like playing quality games and winning (crazy, I know) and expect in a team game that our teammates try the same. Asking for a base level of competency, or at least trying to improve, seems to be too high of a bar for like 95% of players in this game. So fodder gets called fodder, unless they’re clearly trying to get better. We’ll respect that and have always been more than happy to help them out.
Crazy concept #2: people can play more than one game. Mindblowing, I know, but we play a spread of games from arcade shooters to milsims. But hey, you’re the king of bad takes and mindless assumptions. Also there’s competitive communities for virtually every game that has PvP, so this is just a dumb (read: average Adamnpee) take to begin with.
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By your own statement, your entire clan is full of bad players.
Literally non-stop cycling full auto spam in 4 stacks. There’s nothing more cancerous than playing like that.
Maybe that’s why your clan doesn’t want to play against real competition. And picked a casual game that has more bots than actual real players, lol.
The hypocrisy here is really crazy.
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Adam showing he has no idea what he’s talking about time x58484. Classic.
4 stacks are for meme loadouts like de lisles, berdans, and clown cars. We are aficionados of silly toys and notably bad vehicles. Only time the meta loadouts come out is when we have to solo carry or just don’t have any goofy things at that BR; and we do play solo and across every BR. Of course we use automatic weapons at BR 5, every guns an automatic at BR 5. At BR 1-4 we use the appropriate level guns (Altho sometimes we uptier lower BR guns just to clown on BR 5 kids with BR 2 gear)
Prime example intellectual dishonesty. Your clan literally has Enlisted in name (Enlisted Villain something). It’s all based around this game. Enlisted is prime game of your clan.
Stop acting like other games matters in this discussion, lol.
EVA formed from people who met in Enlisted, so ofc we play this game and it’s in the name. Duh. As I said before, we also play a large spread of games in a wide spread of genres. Playing only enlisted would be boring. I don’t need to do damage control for a classic Adam chimp-out lol. I’m just stating facts.
his is so fucking true. I only play Tier 4 to 5 and either I’m playing against Schwitzer Asians or the lobby feels dead
Nobody speaks in the in-game chat. Nobody communicates or explains. It’s just not fun like that
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Quite contrary, there would be no clans if it wasnt.
Irony here is that this clan “scene” has already established the impossible task of actually hosting games with, yes poor system and people agreeing to rules.
Something the enormous HA scene of 3 people could not achieve.
So we can say they do exist unlike the enormour HA unicorn scene.
Having a proper mod for clans ? Well I guess even the HA group would benefit from such as most likely they would be able to force limit weapons and such.
Make a official clan mode and we can finally limit the groups to say 2.
As even you said, most people play as solo so theres no reason to have any bigger groups than 2 in regular squad gamemode.
Want to play with bigger group ? No worries, you can go to clan mode.
Which is why I think having community-building frameworks in place is so important. I think giving people a reason to communicate and connect helps drive people to communicate and work together.
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You speak the fucking truth man
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It also simply helps for a stable and active player base
am i suppose to believe the " trust you bro " argument ?.
because most people play solo.
regardless of the inabilities of said players unable to use the discord, reddit or even steam to play games with other peoples.
which causation is not inherently correlation.
lobby chat might tie into that.
but it doesn’t change a whole lot.
if one really wants to communite has trilions of other methods.
now, does that exscuse enlisted from the lack of basic ( yet not related clans ) functions ?
no.
clearly out of touch and out of his own mind.
if you truly believe that mods and customs have or even had remotely any official support, you are the one who has no idea of what he is talking about.
again with the projections.
i see an interesting pattern here. but i digress.
ah yes, let me order a pizza at macdonald.
and then be entitled to get one if they refuse to serve one.
talking about delusion in one paragraph.
and you want to turn this into competitivty?
you know what isn’t competitive? enlisted.
and you know why?
the majority plays casually.
as enlisted is a casual game.
there are 0 benefits to appeal a very tiny minority such as your self. and perhaps mine in few instances.
the benevolence uh.
matter of fact, there aren’t beside some people who claims to be in a clan and demand to be treated as such.
except there have been lobbies for milsim and custom matches.
so i believe you are the only one seeing unicorns around here 
indeed.
which it’s why more updates for the editor and custom games would carter to all sort of people regarldess of their decisions or alligences
crazy concept for some people these day.
that’s horrible imo.
i don’t see why people should join a clan and having to go through the hassle to just play with couple of friends on a sunday / saturday.
if anything, MM should be separated between equal people that ques with friends against other people that does the same ammount. while separating solos from it.
ideally, 2 groups of 4v4s and the others solo that accepts to be thrown there. similar to the crossplay option. in order to allow said people to avoid or be putted there if they decide to do so.
but i could settle for else.
i’m not too picky about that.
just gotta see how DF handles it.
sure.
if you ignore everything else.
which it’s not sustained by clans.
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Cba to join the clan discord or what ever to see how many people there actually is.
But according to them they have already hosted games and events and so on.
Something that the unicorn HA group never managed to do.
Wow
Or I just dont care enough ? After all its not my task to prove theres people intrested of HA.
Same can be said about the clan mode, all the possibilities to limit say weapons to 1940 should be there.
Playing casual game with friends against complete casuals is nothing more than sad attempt to grow your ego, get carried and pretend to be “good” player with little as possible effort.
Theres absolutely 0 reason to cater few noobs that cant handle casual game without being in group.
→ cba to check
→ makes claims out of his own arse
… sure bud.
but there have been groups that hosted HA and milsim.
there’s the french one. and if i recall, also the ECS did.
so as much you like to hate the HA community for no reason, at least get your facts straight
i suspect through the mentions and then poor deflections, you do care.
else why bring it in the first place?
and… neither is mine?
you’re just going off assumptions and remarks lol.
except, the same cannot be said to clan mods because unlike mods updates and custom matches, clans literally benefits a very tiny portion of playerbase.
i’m sure if you think about it you can pretty much reach accurate conclusions on what benefits more what.
which at this point, we can keep going around the rosy and say x can pretty much do anything if hosts it.
why should it be different with clans?
likewise 
there’s literally 0 benefits to carter to self entitled individuals who thinks to be good in a pvevp game where bots are somewhat the main selling point.
but unlike you, i do not have conflict of interest nor much to show for.
my identity in enlisted is not to show off or brag about irrelevant digital numbers.
but to provide concrete real benefits for more people than just clans. aka through customs and mods better integration and official support.
to which shocker, but it also benefits and includes clans despite some people better judgement.
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perhaps i should have said it clear, but i’m not entirely against clans ( although self entitled ones for sure ). otherwise i wouldn’t be in clans my self.
but again, i can’t stress enough the importance of customs and mods.
that’s where most things can happen. and that’s where you can gain more control.
clans howerver, not many would benefit from it.
hence why customs and mods should get priority to then expand the clans.
but i think i made my self clear.
the rest i’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree.
even though as stated, there isn’t much to argue over rather than semantics and dishonesty.
because it’s not rocket sciense to literally see that clans are a minority. and investing into customs will carter to literally everyone and even clans included.
but no. i suppose self pride must be more important than everyone else benefits.
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dunno, you brought the HA into discussion, regardless its quite irrelevant.
And then again, like said
- these gentlemans have proven clans exists
- hosted clan vs clan games
- tournaments
Something that ive completely missed from your HA group.
And at any given time if you magically can prove they do exist and are active and generally are worth of the effort, go for it and make a own topic about it.
I didnt, you brought the HA to discussion.
I merely pointed out that this clan scene that has already established “competive scene” by themselfs, something that the HA group had hard time to do.
They definitely aint comparable.
So you already know what kind of system this clan mode is ?
Perhaps that they have proven theyr existence ?
You are free to show the world the magnificient unicorn HA group or what ever and ask what ever you wish.
Last time you just failed to prove that it consists more than 4 people.
Pretty sure this was somewhat similar view of yours or adams regarding clans.
( Cba to check )
Anyway, clans bad nothing but e-pp comparison.
While supporting steam rolling casuals with group in regular game.
Not at all hypocrite.
But you can already do it in customs ?
And once they add the clan system you can use that for your HA larping.
Quite sure majority of competive mods does have a way to limit weapons and such, what ever fits your larping needs.
Likewise.
This is also just “trust me bro”. I didn’t claim my correlation hypothesis was factual, just a very real possibility.
Agreed. But it’s also very difficult to communicate with players found in game. For example, if I have a player I found I want to play and communicate with, I have to either blast my discord to 8 randos or be content with sitting on quick chat. There is no Direct Message system to mitigate this (with an appropriate player blacklist system to match). There is no basic lobby chat and the games been live for what, 4-5 years? There is not a way to quick-add to squad in game. A lot of these systems I’m just pulling from WoT from when I used to play it, which had them in place a decade ago
clearly out of touch and out of his own mind. if you truly believe that mods and customs have or even had remotely any official support, you are the one who has no idea of what he is talking about.
(Forgive if formatting is off, forums is hell on mobile)
Mods still have more in the limelight than Clans with dev blogs and the like. Also bear in mind that it was the clans that spearheaded getting custom games increased stability through a unified effort to forward .clog files and submit reports until DF did something about it. We did a lot of load testing on servers. It’s still not perfect, but it’s a lot better than it was a year ago. We both have an interest in better Modding tools and Customs stability; it doesn’t have to be one or the other.
ah yes, let me order a pizza at macdonald.
and then be entitled to get one if they refuse to serve one. talking about delusion in one paragraph. and you want to turn this into competitivty? you know what isn’t competitive? enlisted. and you know why? the majority plays casually. as enlisted is a casual game. there are 0 benefits to appeal a very tiny minority such as your self. and perhaps mine in few instances.
This is just cognitive disconnect. As I said previously, nearly every PVP game has competitive communities, intended or not. World of Tanks/Warships has a majority casual community and is a casual game, and has a competitive scene and official clan system. Squad is a milsim and has a competitive scene. Arma has clans. Freaking Minecraft has PVP clans. I’ve even seen clans in Project Zomboid multiplayer. A “casual” game can still have competitive communities and game modes. I’ve seen clans and competitive games in every game that has PVP that I’ve played.
Asking for basic competence from teammates in a PVP game or at least an attempt to learn also shouldn’t be that much of a sin.
if anything, MM should be separated between equal people that ques with friends against other people that does the same ammount. while separating solos from it.
Agreed. I’ve been advocating for stack based MM soft rules as a bare minimum for a long time now.
HA vs Clans
We actually do have a Milsim channel in the clan hub and honestly would love for y’all to host events there. The few milsim group reps we added haven’t been active. I think people would be interested and having a central area to hold events also adds greater visibility. I honestly believe that is a other issue with all the community hosted events - we’re fragmented across a billion discords so groups can’t grow effectively (and a large chunk of the playerbase just doesn’t use discord or isn’t involved in them)
Literally not a single person in this thread has ever been anti-clan. No one is trying to oppose their right to exist.
That’s not what this discussion was about.
What is not so understandable is when a minority of these clans try to mold the entire game to their own image at the expense of other players.
Even more so when this specific minority is extremely toxic ingame itself. And they deliberately lie and distort the facts to mislead people for their own purposes.
That’s what this discussion was about.
It’s not like that I have already mentioned that…
- separate mode
- entire game
Pick one
Like playing as group ? Give them separate mode and limit squad to 2 persons max.
So called “regular stacks” are just as toxic.