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I Feel like Darkflow/ Gaijin could add a weapon to the Western Allies that has a very high potential to help dealing with the gray-zone camping Tiger I’s, King Tigers and Panthers. That thing would be known as T74 rocket launcher or as it was later known, the M20 “Super Bazooka” a rocket launcher that was ironically inspired by RPzB 43 “Ofenrohr” that is already in the game
-If they are crazy enough add the T74 it would have to be like it is with the RD-44 (prototype of the RPD) or AS-44s (weapon that lost trials to the AK-47), that is as weapon developed during WW2 that was only tested, was tested and adopted shortly after WW2 or was adopted on the end of WW2
In this case it was developed during WW2 and adopted after WW2 (with this one it was 1950)
The T74 or M20 (depends under what name will they add it) will have to shoot the 3.5 inch T80E2 HEAT rocket that was very FUCKING effective during testing if I do say so myself, I will add a doc about the rocket in the replys. And with the “Super Bazooka” DF would also be able to add the RPzB 54 “Panzerschreck” as a direct answer.
Here is the Document with the armor penetration of the already mentioned T80E2. if you wanna see it for yourself search “L714” and it will pop out, or look on the page 135 of the digital version (pg 126 of the scanned document), the L714 is the last report on that page
technically it started development in october of 1944, that was the whole reason I mentioned the T-74 and RD-44 since both were designed during WW2 and never saw service during WW2, altough I must admit this would be stretch large enough to be seen from the stratosphere and I understand that.
Also please keep in mind this was a crazed wild search from the middle of the night. Thank you.
I have never understood all that talk about grey zone camping to begin with, other than max BR Allies and super early BR anti rank rifles, all nations always had the power to deal with tanks at longer ranges.
Yes it takes some practice, but with Panzerfausts I can reliably take out any vehicle up to 200 meters, yes I usually need a couple of shots, but it is 100% possible to do, and since you always had the option to get up to 100 meters close to your target, hitting at those distances is very easy.
The best argument against tanks has always been hand held AT weapons. The US getting the M9 bazooka has kinda already been cause for a debate here on the forums, since the US never really mass deployed better launchers than their regular 80mm pen bazookas.
Still… the US needs something that is comparable to German late war launchers, and historical accuracy is kinda already a forgotten topic… so balance should be a priority anyways.
I fully understand your concern but right now that allies have almost nothing to deal with KTs (other than the P47 which I have almost never seen post merge) and also I know that the pershings that are able todestroy them will become available very soon.
That leaves Infantry with almost zero fighting chace other than the occasional TNT charge suicide run, the very slim chance that the tank will run over an AT mine or the M9 bazooka that is not so good when the enemy tank is in the corner of the map you have noacces to because of grayzone.
All these fake ass prototypes and yall are really trying to shoot this down? I’m a German main and welcome this wholeheartedly. Prototypes are the rage in Japan but the US cant have one to fight the Tiger II? The Ofenrohr is literally a copy of the damn super bazooka lol.
I’m gonna play a little bit of history police, shoot myself to the leg in the process and say that the RPzB43 did not copy the T74 (M20) since the “Sup-Baz” was adopted after WW2.
essetnialy it went something like this:
USA starts producing the M1 Bazooka → Germans capture the M1, they test it and said “This is good, but we can German engineer this shit to levels unheard of” → the Ofnerohr got created → allies capture the Ofenrohr, took it out to test it, after which they possibly said something along the lines of “This is amazing!! We need that!”–> the T74 prototype development started and ended with the creation of the M20 “Super-bazooka”
TL:DR - the M20 is a copy of a copy of the original M1 Bazooka
no they didnt. gray zone camping mostly affects f2p players that are at start of the grind and are forced to play against end game vehicles cause game forces mostly frontal confrontation between tanks with its map design.
hand held AT weapons one reason
iirc engineer AT guns could not penetrate big cats in normandy
tanks frontally couldnt penetrate end game tanks for majority of grind (e.g. US normandy <76mm vs big cats, 85mm vs KT(H) etc.)
but they deployed better rockets with better penetration which were interchangeable with old rockets. also m9 or m9a1 is least controversial weapon for US.
Believe me or not, but I remember a time where there was no Tiger II H, and also no Panther in Normandy and even no T34 in Moscow.
I dare to say that for the majority of time hand held AT weapons did their job well.
Piat has been enough to deal with Panzer IV H and J.
And Soviets with their Panzerfausts also had no problem dealing with Tigers abd Panthers.
I know you are completely right when you say that low lever players had always problems dealing with armor, still… I think Berlin has always been the best example of armor vs infantry balance done right. The starter Panzerfaust is excellent.
before my time, so i cant really comment on state of the game then. but most problematic thing about gray zone camping is basically indestructible tanks to almost any low-mid tier weaponry (besides planes). if they can be destroyed with other means (that dont require second vehicle slot), then they are really not a problem.
Yes, yes it is. It is also the reason why I went to sleep around 1AM after doing my “research” that can be also called “Caffine crazed search for proves and knowledge to add pixels into a game.”
