Battle of France 1940 campaign idea is bad

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Ratardo

Then there is 1 lmg and 1 anti tank rifle.

lmg; M26 / Maxim M/32-33

Would be fairly equal to what soviets had dp27 / theyr maksim.

@Ratardo

So 5 bolt action rifles and some of them are basicly just same rifle with different markings.

Yes and no. Quite detailed link below.
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES2.htm

@Ratardo

AND ofcourse there should be captured soviet weapons like AVS, SVT and DP

Depends how things get balanced, perhaps theres no need for captured weapons.

@Ratardo

edit: Also tanks and planes would be pretty ‘interesting’ for finns.

Thats the beauty of the campaign, quite heavily infantry oriented rather than shit ton of tanks / planes.

[MichaelMerc]

On the one hand I really want to see a French campaign in this game. But on the other, I have worries that this will hurt online.

Anyway, I’m in. I just want to drive that Char B1.

[Ratardo]

Yeah, mayby that maxim could be used without tripod. so thats 2nd machine gun.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Yes and no. Quite detailed link below.
FINNISH ARMY 1918 - 1945: RIFLES PART 2

Yeah. Soviet rifles or couple finnish ones in winter war.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Depends how things get balanced, perhaps theres no need for captured weapons.

If other side gets svt or avs there is no way to balance it. Both sides will need semis and there isnt many options for finns.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Ratardo

Yeah, mayby that maxim could be used without tripod. so thats 2nd machine gun.

Not sure were they used during winterwar, atleast during continuation war.

@Ratardo

If other side gets svt or avs there is no way to balance it. Both sides will need semis and there isnt many options for finns.

If the semi’s remain as near useless as they currently are you can fairly easily balance the lack of SA’s with BA differencies / SMG differencies.

[olek_z17]

Yes, they do:

• Mosin rifle variants, including the M/28 we have in the game,
• Suomi KP/-31 (arguably the best SMG of WWII),
• Lahti L-35 pistol,
• Lahti-Saloranta M/26 light machine gun,
• Lahti L-39 anti tank rifle,
• Vickers 6-Ton tank.

[olek_z17]

There was no German gear in Finland during the Winter War. Germany wasn’t really against the USSR before the Barbarossa to say the least.

[olek_z17]

I’m quite sure that the KP/-26 won’t be in the Winter War progression, it was a rare prototype, kind of like the PPT-27, PPD-29 or the VMP 26.

[Ratardo]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Not sure were they used during winterwar, atleast during continuation war.

I think all those ‘light weight’ mounts was adopted after winter war. But who cares? Its still looks better then soldier carryin HMG with tripod attached to it

Also those was pretty rare. Captured Dp’s become main finnish lmg’s in continuation war

[IVAN SPARGO@live]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Yeah cant wait to unlock 7 different types of white flags.

While I love making this joke myself, French forces did fight in the Second World War. For example, some landed with the allies on D-Day if I’m not mistaken.

The French being defeated wasn’t a case of poorly trained soldiers or poor equipment. I think they had some very advanced equipment for the time actually.

It was simply bad leadership and planning, in my opinion.

Not to mention the French resistance. Definitely can’t forget them.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Ratardo

I think all those ‘light weight’ mounts was adopted after winter war.

Could say close enough

@Ratardo

But who cares? Its still looks better then soldier carryin HMG with tripod attached to it

Cant argue with that

@Ratardo

Also those was pretty rare.

Yes, but considering there were quite few M/32-33 to start with id say it was quite common.

@Ratardo

Captured Dp’s become main finnish lmg’s in continuation war

Yes, they captured more dp’s than they had own lmg’s to start with.

@IVAN SPARGO@live

While I love making this joke myself

I know, im somewhat familiar with that part of history.

[AchtColaAchtBier]

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[Buck_Breaker]

.>Mosin rifle variants not copy pasta (mkeanwhile the french got a bunch of bolt aciton and semi auto rifles)
.>Suomi like the one interesting gun they got that’s basically a ppd
.>Going down to the level of pistol guess what the French got more
.>Wow a second firearm that not copy pasta that’s def enoguh materail for a campaign
.> oh yeah the tank everyrone and their mother bought after WW1 which is totally not an inferior T26
it’s not like the French has multiple tank designs that were the were some of the best if not the best tanks of 1940

[Buck_Breaker]

So you are saying that the Winter war cmapign would be literal USSR vs USSR with like one OG smg and lmg?

[Buck_Breaker]

Well tell me what person that is able to funciton wants a campaign for that?

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Buck_Breaker

.>Mosin rifle variants not copy pasta

Which are quite alot different from the original moist nugget.

@Buck_Breaker

(mkeanwhile the french got a bunch of bolt aciton and semi auto rifles)

Id say only unique thing about french war time weapons was that they were never fired and dropped only once.

@Buck_Breaker

Suomi like the one interesting gun they got that’s basically a ppd

Ah your history knowledge is astonishing.

@Buck_Breaker

Going down to the level of pistol guess what the French got more

Woaw, totally going to play normandy all over again.

@Buck_Breaker

oh yeah the tank everyrone and their mother bought after WW1 which is totally not an inferior T26

That would be the best part, much more infantry oriented gameplay rather than sitting in tank across the map.

@Buck_Breaker

it’s not like the French has multiple tank designs that were the were some of the best if not the best tanks of 1940

Yeah, they did very well.

@Buck_Breaker

Well tell me what person that is able to funciton wants a campaign for that?

Could ask exactly same, who wants to play normandy all over again where only unique map is dunkirk and your task is to stand in line to wait your turn to board fishing boat?

While quite many has requested more infantry focused & rifle focused gameplay that aint infested by super tanks & FG42’s.

[Buck_Breaker]

Unique things

Firearms:
Fusil Automatique Modele 1917 Lebel
Berthier
MAS-36
MAS 36 CR39
Meunier
MAS-38
Delacre (not sure about the stage of the program)
Chauchat
FM-24/29
MAC 1931
MAC 1934
Model 1924/1929D machine gun
St. Étienne Mle 1907
Hotchkiss M1909 Benét–Mercié machine gun
Hotchkiss M1914 machine gun
Reibel machine gun
13.2 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
Hotchkiss M1922 machine gun
Darne machine gun

Tanks:
AMR 33
AMR 35
Renault R-35
FCM 36
Hotchkiss H35
Renault FT
Renault R-35
Renault R-40
Char D1
Char D2
SOMUA S35
Char G1
AMC 34
AMC 35
Char B1
Char 2C

You proposal is copy paste USSR VS copy paste USSR with a few new guns and you claim that France is a bad idea and Winter war is good

[Buck_Breaker]

oh yeah mosin VARIANTS count as unique (said for the guy who said BA don’t count) but all the French BA which are DIFFERNET form the rest and from EACH OTHER don’t XD

You are seething so you are resorting to meming

Ah you being able to breath is astonishing and yeah Suomi like it or not is similar to PPD and it’s the only reason you want fins

Wow totally going to play Moscow all over again but worse

And yeah they did very well infact the B1 gave em more trouble than the KV-1 at 1941

Could you ask exactly who wants to play Moscow all over again?

Also yeah the Only unique place is Dunkirk it’s not like that were in totally different places

[TUSUPOLISI69]

So theres chauchat, fm-24/29 and hotchkiss m1922 LMG’s that aint tripod mounted
( Could be others too wikipedia. )
Cool, 3 new LMG’s that are definitely comparable to MG34 they would be facing.

And look at all those SMG’s. Perhaps Assaulter 1 will unlock the gun itself, assaulter 2 will unlock the magazine and finally assaulter 3 will unlock also bullets to the gun ?
Or perhaps they should use those pistols you earlier mentioned.

And finally, the unique rifles. Because every BA offers so different kind of gameplay that they indeed do matter alot. Definitely would play normandy all over again for these beauties.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Buck_Breaker

oh yeah mosin VARIANTS count as unique (said for the guy who said BA don’t count) but all the French BA which are DIFFERNET form the rest and from EACH OTHER don’t XD

Quite specifically said that generally all BA’s are just closes of each other with slightly different stats.
So your argument of why people would play france due to “unique” BA’s is quite far fetched.

@Buck_Breaker

You are seething so you are resorting to meming

Nah, 6 weeks of intence surrendering doesnt exactly intrest me.

@Buck_Breaker

Ah you being able to breath is astonishing and yeah Suomi like it or not is similar to PPD and it’s the only reason you want fins

Not really just points out how well you know weapons, not at all.

@Buck_Breaker

Wow totally going to play Moscow all over again but worse

Well, it seems you have something against russians but the wilderness where the winterwar was fought is quite far from moscow terrain / IRL wise. Not to mention its about ~800? KM away from the karelian isthmus.

@Buck_Breaker

And yeah they did very well infact the B1 gave em more trouble than the KV-1 at 1941

Yeah all 6 weeks, woaw.

@Buck_Breaker

Could you ask exactly who wants to play Moscow all over again?

Fairly many (you dont need to) You can wave your whiteflag even without it being implemented to game.

@Buck_Breaker

Also yeah the Only unique place is Dunkirk it’s not like that were in totally different places

Geography of France

Totally would be entirely different enviroment.

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

Make it as event.