Balance the game by switching to "Average BR"

[ZebulonBVance]

This is important and touches on what @VoyoMayPL posted a thread about.

I haven’t witnessed BR V for myself, but from all accounts around here there’s a real problem emerging (perhaps unforseen?) with “fun” disappearing at any BR above III, and I think it has to do with the matchmaker and how BR is calculated per player. The best I can compare it to from my own experience is having a Tier I-II loadout and one MP40 bumps my entire battlegroup up to Tier III with then also has the absurd possibility of placing me in an uptiered match from there.

A player’s matchmaker BR should be an average of their vehicles and weapons combined (with heavy weight placement on tanks) thereby removing the fun-suck entirely, maintaining the BR matchmaking, and taking the game back to more familiar territory in terms of player composition per-match. ie high tier weapons MIGHT rarely be seen at Tier III-IV, and players who stack high end gear get placed with others who stack high end gear, while players who compose their squads more realistically maintain position in the middle BR’s.

I hope I explained this well enough and I’m sure there’s some downside that I hadn’t thought of. Thoughts, brethren?

[Recker0315]

GOD NO, you could bring the tiger 2 to low tier by filling the other squads with tier 1 weapons, this is just a horribly bad idea

[ZebulonBVance]

Brother read
I said tanks would have to be weighted differently, obviously. It would virtually depend on your vehicle tier what BR you’re placed in

[Recker0315]

again, its still shit, you could bring hight tier weapons like the stgs to tier 1 where 99% only has bolt action rifles, shit idea

[ZebulonBVance]

I think that situation could be avoided with some fine tuning, but thanks for your input.

[Enlisted_Thunder]

Making BR more reflecting of a player's equipment strength

After fixing so many problems on profile converting. And just forget about how BR changed the game’s playing purpose. It’s time to warn about what problems current BR can have. Just a repeat of an older thread: Especially if dev is doing the WT’s way: Only counting the highest BR of player’s loadout. And in Enlisted, it unlike WT , where a single high BR weapons (or squads) will work. In WT, you only need one tank of that type is enough. In enlisted, you need to issue the more powerful eq…

The players will still trying to max out their strength at whatever BR allows.

Just give new players warning, like most of your weapons arent up to the top BR.

[VoyoMayPL]

@ZebulonBVance

This is important and touches on what @VoyoMayPL posted a thread about.

After some thinking and calculating it turned out that weighted average (with exponentially growing weight dependent on difference between max and average BR) works quite well.
Note: for calculations, 3 “best” squads are taken into account (with highest BR).

BR based on overall average raiting

I know what is your goal but to achieve it you wold need much more complex system to prevent ppl from abusing it. And I doubt ppl will manage to understand it as they already fail to build rally points. On the other hand, they don’t need to know how it works. I guess sth like this could work: For each BR above the average, weapon’s BR gets doubled. So if you try to bring one BR5 weapon to BR1, your weapon would give you an average BR of about… 4,25. Numbers are not the best but you I hope y…

The main condition for this to work is “normal” BR system though (BR±1 etc. like in all other games). Not this weird 2 queue mutant that combines no benefits of BR with all it’s downsides.

Anyway, after tweaking and some more rules/conditions (like >BR.x gets only uptiers, different weight for vehicles etc.), weighted average of this design would allow you to take BR+1 weapon at a cost of taking multiple BR-1 weapons.

Example:
(26x BR1 + BR5)/27 = BR1,14
BR5 - BR1,14 = 3,86
BR5 * 2^3,86 = BR5 * 14,52 = BR72,6
(26x BR1 + BR72,6)/27 = BR3,65 ~ BR3,5

If you take BR1 gear only + one BR5 thing, you will end up in BR3 or BR4 (depends how we round up things).

So situations like this:

@Recker0315

you could bring the tiger 2 to low tier by filling the other squads with tier 1 weapons

are basically impossible.

Compare it with the current situation: unlimited BR5 against BR3 vs many BR1 + BR5 against BR3.
Or with “normal” BR: unlimited BR5 against BR4 vs many BR1 + BR5 against BR4
(Depends how we round up.)

[ZebulonBVance]

Exactly what was in my brain with the “doubling” at BR+1

@VoyoMayPL

If you take BR1 gear only + one BR5 thing, you will end up in BR3 or BR4 (depends how we round up things.

YES

[Atomik_Invader]

Big no

[JessBond]

Big “Yes please !”

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

All it takes is a single high tier gun for someone to top leaderboards and ruin the experience of the game. Nevermind the fact if everyone on a single team did that, it’d be literally nothing but Tier 5 vs. Tier 1 just like how it was pre-merge.
No.

[ZebulonBVance]

But by bringing a Tier V with Tier I, they are inherently Tier III. So no one with only Tier I would ever run into that player.

And that’s with ONE Tier V gun/tank.

The higher tiers stack weight in the averages the more numerous they are, in theory. @VoyoMayPL is the math wizz, not me.

[VoyoMayPL]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

it’d be literally nothing but Tier 5 vs. Tier 1

Actually Br5 vs Br3.
Sounds familiar?

[你的肛门比较松弛如果做痔疮手术的]

That means other one could aslo do that practice, a balance made

[BandytaJeden]

Keep spamming this and wasting your time as it will never happen.

It’s more complicated and more easly abusable system, so bad idea overall

[FurinaDeFontaine1]

@ZebulonBVance

But by bringing a Tier V with Tier I, they are inherently Tier III.

Deliberately downtiering oneself to Tier 3 with a Tier 5 weapon is not any better when as I said, all it takes it a single high tier weapon.
Tier 1 players see Tier 3 as it is, therefore, my point still stands as it’d be pre-merge and be Tier 5 vs Tier 1.
All this system does is ruin Tier 1-2 to be how Tier 3 is now when nothing is wrong with 1-2.

[VoyoMayPL]

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

Deliberately downtiering oneself to Tier 3 with a Tier 5 weapon is not any better when as I said

It happens already withthis cursed 2 queue system. But now it’s unlimited.

With weighted average the ammount of guns would be limited. Also, while you will farm br3 with your one br5 weapon, all your br3 enemies will farm you when you end up with your br1 for most of the match.

@FurinaDeFontaine_1

as it’d be pre-merge and be Tier 5 vs Tier 1

No, it wouldn’t be.
But you all ppl are too stupid to understand primary school level math. And your only argument is “reee king tiger vs br1!!!1!” while I’ve proven it’s impossible.

I understand that ppl have concerns. But reeing based on nothing but “feelings” and ignoring arguments of the other side is worthless and solves nothing.

[ZebulonBVance]

Hopefully the devs will actually consider this and ignore the kids who fell asleep in math class

[Adamnpee]

The problem is unless it would have 5 different queues, nothing would really change.
And even bringing only one BR5, you would have basically very high chance to end up in pure “BR5 match”.

Current system would be okay with 5 seperate queues as well. There’s literally no difference, only this average BR system is more complicated and unnecessary.

Your average BR system would be pointless with only 2 queues exactly the same way how the current one is.

[ZebulonBVance]

@Adamnpee

bringing only one BR5, you would have basically very high chance to end up in pure “BR5 match”

How do you figure this? One BR5 weapon would not make the player’s BR 5