Apparently Germany still suffers - mega thread

I only complain about you being as dense as depleted uranium, not realising you are making a strawman argument one after another completely ignoring what I write.

Germany Explosive Mass Penetration 0° / 30° / 60° 0% / 50% / 100%
Cannon/Machine Gun Name What uses it? Ammo Type (AP) Velocity TNT Equivalent (g) 10m 100m 500m Ricochet %
90mm M3 M26 M26 T99 APCR (M304 Shot) 1021 0.0 287 / 212 / 67 281 / 208 / 65 259 / 192 / 60 66° / 70° / 72°
90mm M3 M26 M26 T99 APCBC (M82 Shot) 853 137.2 185 / 142 / 65 183 / 140 / 64 173 / 133 / 62 48° / 63° / 71°
88mm KwK 43 Tiger II (P) Tiger II (H) APCBC (PzGr 39/43) 1000 108.8 237 / 180 / 79 234 / 177 / 78 222 / 168 / 75 48° / 63° / 71°

Pershing has better penetration if you use APCR.

You bring this while not noticing that both Germany and Soviets have PPSH obrez but I dont see anyone talking about them or mentioning that they are OP , do you know why?
Because like MAB 1918 they are useless and niche that doesn’t impact the balance while Uragan and PPS does.

What you do here by bringing M1918 is intellectual dishonesty knowing that (Pardon my French) that shit , is shit.

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Then it was discovered that it could only kill 1-2 crew members, and the enemy even had time to replace new gunners.

I have already told you how to use it, bring two guns, only use Beretta M1918 in close combat.If you don’t want to do this, then wait for the new submachine gun.Or purchase MP18.

Without them, wouldn’t you have to face Thompson? It is obvious that only the German BR2 submachine guns are below average, which requires buffing rather than destroying the submachine guns of other factions.

so your idea of balance is for germans to carry 2 smg that share ammo, but soviets can have 1 smg with ammo bag that can do the job of both? totally balanced


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Soviets can use PPS-42 as primary and Uragan as secondary, both doesn’t share it’s ammo. Two of those are superior than anything that Germany has at BR2. Mp18 is too inaccurate to be always viable and at close range it loses instantly. M1918 has awful sights, low mag size and bad recoil so mid range fights are out of the question.
What’s next are you going too say that MAS-38 is better than Uragan because it has fast rof while ignoring it’s awful dmg and bad recoil?
It seems like you have fetish for bad german weeapons/tanks and only see them as amazing 11/10 best thing in the world.

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Ive been watching the bastion brawl tournament.

Feel like I am watching nothing else but pps smg combat (i dont blame them)

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i just want BR1 and BR2 to be viable for BA loadout. sadly with OP smg currently on all factions that is impossible.

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You were not kidding it’s hilarious and sad at same time, what a sorry state of the game’s balance.

Only PPS-42/43, WINchester, Madsen and waves of T-28E are seen in a kill feed (plus also arty spam). Seen only one dude with Americans as they can have their 2x M8 planes (ofc Germany has zero rocket carrying planes)

Where are those experts that keep saying that “Germans are op” “Soviets are worthless and weak”? Yeah nowhere. Keep listening to Soviet buff posts, it will lead game to have mixed teams as nobody except biggest masochists would want to play as Germany, it will be their duct tape and a remedy for such self inflicted wound.

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Bring two weapons with different magazines so that you have enough ammunition, just two types of ammunition. And I said this is the current solution, your understanding is worrying me.

Germany has only two op smgs one is stolen PPS-43 and another Suomi. But it’s still more than it should be at BR1-2.

After merge fnab was the best at BR 2. I liked how that was looking

most of the smg on all factions are OP for BR2. this is not only about soviet smg overperforming compared to germans smg.

in ideal world i would want only shit smg on BR1 and BR2, with mp38 and mp40(and rest of smg) only on BR3+

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A few days ago, you complained about the problem of Soviet main players going to play Germany. You’d better remember it.

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That would be too harsh and unrealistic as they were deployed along of bolt rifles.

Better would be nerfing it’s smg rof upgrade and actually keep max upgrade at it’s real values instead of buffing it by 15% for some reason.

Anyway BR2 shouldn’t have smgs with faster rof than 600.

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That was only the case for BR5 not any other BR, and few days ago i have played as BR5 soviets and was winning most of my matches so i guess hype is now done and German players gave up again as they can’t compete vs Fedorov + RD-44 no matter how hard they try.

maybe that would mean something if BR were historically accurate. i want more of BA haven where there are no good smg in meta. also good idea would be for BR1 to be ±0 and all smg removed from BR1. then you would get trash smg on BR2, decent smg start from BR3 and OP smg on BR4 and BR5. little unrealistic, but


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What is so unrealistic of this argument? It seems like a Jumbo situation, it has similar armor yet and the cannon is better, why the Jumbo gets to be at BR IV and the KV-1 not?

The only reason I find for the KV 1 to be sitting at BR III is because of “historical reasons” that at this point have been left aside a good amount of times, why not in this instance?

Drive your Pz.4H and give it a try at the training ground. Can’t you penetrate KV-1?