Apparently Germany still suffers - mega thread

[Jade_Stern]

Does replacing rockets with bombs make you feel unusable?

[VoyoMayPL]

No. Just comparing fighter-bomber to a strategic/tactical bomber seems like complete lunacy.

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

After upgrading, its firing rate will reach 630.Why has no one ever mentioned the Beretta M1918 with a firing rate of 1040.

high recoil, small magazine loaded from top which blocks your view…
its basically the more annoying version of the Soviet PDD-34.

[Jade_Stern]

It can still carry out large-scale bombing and has sufficient flight speed. It can achieve large-scale killing of infantry, and the result is the same. Don’t forget that it did correspond to the P-47 in the past.

[VoyoMayPL]

Yeah, and one is defenceless brick and the other one is perfectly good fighter plane. Bombs are not everything, shocker!

@Jade_Stern

Don’t forget that it did correspond to the P-47 in the past

Same as 20rd Beretta Vs 71rd ppsh. Balanced AF, great argument.

[Jade_Stern]

Yes, weaken the P-47, and only Germany can use the JU-188 to bully infantry? And Tiger 2? Do you think the super Pershing has enough killing effect on infantry?

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

German submachine guns would only need 2 shots to kill enemies

@Valkay

Soviet mains claim that “Axis cant have a 600 rpm SMG on BR2 because 9mm (6.8 to 7.2 damage) is 2 shots down and would be unfair” however Lanchester SMG does that on BR2 and Im yet to hear people complain about.

[robihr]

@Jade_Stern

best submachine guns in BR3

cool. now where is their BR5 smg/AR

@Jade_Stern

the best rifles

cause it is plural, there is something other than type hei AR? please tell me.

@Jade_Stern

the best jet fighters

not really. meteor outmaneuvers it and it has very limited ammo.

@Jade_Stern

, and tanks in BR5

lol.
even if ho ri was great tank(which it isnt), japan suffers from shit tanks in low BR.

@Jade_Stern

The only problem is the lack of attack aircraft

probably only true thing you wrote.

@Jade_Stern

If there were no bulletproof vests, German submachine guns would only need 2 shots to kill enemies, and the FG-42 would be even more powerful in the BR5. Do you think the balance hasn’t taken into account bulletproof vests?

cherry picking. at low BR you get mostly newbies in MM, so those are players with no vitality and soviet smg also kill them in 2 hits. german smg have advantage only against vitality within 15-20m with their increased damage and body armor negates that. soviet smg can have 50% ROF advantage on same BR (e.g. mp40 vs uragan)

@Jade_Stern

Even without Soviet SMG, you will still encounter American SMG.

which are actually somewhat balanced against german smg

@Jade_Stern

For P47, Germany has JU188, which is similar to the relationship between Super Pershing and Tiger 2.

not even close. p47 is faster, more maneuverable, has better payload and has front facing guns. it is extremely versatile plane. ju188 is one trick pony that cant even defend itself.

[Jade_Stern]

@robihr

cool. now where is their BR5 smg/AR

Do they still need this?

[VoyoMayPL]

@Jade_Stern

Yes, weaken the P-47, and only Germany can use the JU-188 to bully infantry?

I didn’t write anything like that. Next time try proper arguments instead of making things up.

@Jade_Stern

And Tiger 2?

Ah yes, typical soviet “but king tiger”. Tbh this is non argument as it was answered like 10^1000 times already and is irrelevant in the discussion.

@Jade_Stern

Do you think the super Pershing has enough killing effect on infantry?

How is this relevant to you making BS comparisons of weapons that are completely different in how they work?

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

Do you think the super Pershing has enough killing effect on infantry?

As someone who does use it, yes.
But even if you have skill issues, you can always stick to Pershing which has even faster reload and more powerful HE than Tiger II.

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

only Germany can use the JU-188 to bully infantry

my brother in Christ, that plane is even worse than Soviet Tu-2S.

[Jade_Stern]

@Valkay

As someone who does use it, yes.

Okay, please enjoy the loading time.

[Jade_Stern]

@VoyoMayPL

How is this relevant to you making BS comparisons of weapons that are completely different in how they work?

The actual situation is that Germany will mainly rely on Tiger 2 to kill infantry, while the United States will use P-47. You will only complain that Germany has nothing and never think about what Germany relies on to achieve the same goal.

[robihr]

@Jade_Stern

The actual situation is that Germany will mainly rely on Tiger 2 to kill infantry,

not even close. tanks die really fast in normal match. even being infamous KT will not save them. p47 has more potential in dealing wide area damage than KT.

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

to kill infantry

ehm, I hope you have deep pockets.

@Jade_Stern

Germany will mainly rely on Tiger 2

still false, T26 Pershing still reloads faster and has better HE…
So you dont necessarily have to buy the p2w tank.

[Jade_Stern]

The cost is lower penetration and almost unprotected body. This is not worth it.

[VoyoMayPL]

@Jade_Stern

You will only complain that Germany has nothing and never think about what Germany relies on to achieve the same goal.

I only complain about you being as dense as depleted uranium, not realising you are making a strawman argument one after another completely ignoring what I write.

[Valkay]

@Jade_Stern

The cost is lower penetration

Germany				Explosive Mass	Penetration 0° / 30° / 60°			0% / 50% / 100%
Cannon/Machine Gun Name	What uses it?	Ammo Type (AP)	Velocity	TNT Equivalent (g)	10m	100m	500m	Ricochet %
90mm M3	M26 M26 T99	APCR (M304 Shot)	1021	0.0	287 / 212 / 67	281 / 208 / 65	259 / 192 / 60	66° / 70° / 72°
90mm M3	M26 M26 T99	APCBC (M82 Shot)	853	137.2	185 / 142 / 65	183 / 140 / 64	173 / 133 / 62	48° / 63° / 71°
88mm KwK 43	Tiger II (P) Tiger II (H)	APCBC (PzGr 39/43)	1000	108.8	237 / 180 / 79	234 / 177 / 78	222 / 168 / 75	48° / 63° / 71°

Pershing has better penetration if you use APCR.

[SzepWaxweiler]

@Jade_Stern

Beretta M1918.

You bring this while not noticing that both Germany and Soviets have PPSH obrez but I dont see anyone talking about them or mentioning that they are OP , do you know why?
Because like MAB 1918 they are useless and niche that doesn’t impact the balance while Uragan and PPS does.

What you do here by bringing M1918 is intellectual dishonesty knowing that (Pardon my French) that shit , is shit.