100% unbalanced games

The fact that people cheat doesn’t mean they can squad wipe everyone and press the “I win” button for their team. I’m glad you have such great stats for this game, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that people cheat in this game and its annoying to encounter.

Uh…define solid objects? You can shoot through some things in the game, it’s a bit inconsistent though
Wooden crates and barrels you can pierce through with most rifles. Ironically larger stacks of smaller crates seem to be good cover. Paratrooper ammo box has no bullet collision whatsoever lol. Some wooden staircases are almost transparent for rifle bullets for some reason. Some wooden floors are pierceable. Buildings made out of boards seem to be penetrable with rifles. That includes those wooden towers all newbies love to climb and snipe from. Log cabins you can shoot through with an AT rifle - it’s always a riot blasting people trying to be cheeky campers with a PTRS
Some metal wrecks have holes in them and lots of people don’t seem to realise they have…legs when they take cover behind something like a traincar or a tank

Also, the way hit detection/lag does it lets you kinda shoot through actual solid wall corner, like, omega prefire while peeking where your first shot is actually aimed into a wall but still somehow registers into a guy behind the corner lol

their replay site. there is info there about every match and every user. also steam gives you CONCURRENT users that have launched the game(so not necessarily in battle)

here are concurrent users for steam, standalone launcher and consoles that are actually playing battles.

some 20+ years ago i played CS on high skill level and had encountered my fair share of cheaters. my current skill levels are nowhere near what they were in my youth. my reflexes suck, i can often overlook enemy cause my vision is bad, my aim sucks and my recoil control sucks and even despite all of this i manage to outperform players from both teams in some 80-90% of my games and when i am not in top spot of both teams, that player score doesnt really outperform mine in significant way. so there are either very low amount of cheaters, or they really suck so much that cheats dont help them.

do you know how many mechanism in this game can seem like cheats in other games? here are few:

  • kill cam and kill feed that shows person who downed you and not person who dealt finishing blow
  • crossplay people that have aim assist
  • bots that have aimbot
  • low rendering distance for some objects that are not shown after e.g. 100m
  • hit detector when shooting through walls

do you know that most cheating accusations that happen on this forum often show either shit player with with lucky shot or veteran player that knows game. in last 10-15 threads with specific cheater accusations where i checked replay there were 0 cheaters. ffs there were people accusing other people of cheating when that player had ~10-20 kills in whole match and played worse than bot. also had people accuse other people of cheating when getting killed by tank HE splash damage when they were behind wall.

think that most of the cheating accusations come from game simply being unbalanced where you get 3-5 veteran players in one team totally dominating game and 10 low skill players in other team getting stomped.

like i said before if you find cheater get proof that he is cheating and report him. most people that are throwing accusations here dont even bother to check replay.

When I say solid objects, I’m talking about shooting through stone walls(Bunker walls as an example) and hills (as in person in questions is on one side of the hill and shoots through the hill to hit me on the other side). I know that fire goes through stone walls in this game because of how the devs programmed the hurt boxes. Wooden boxes, and large caliber guns like AT guns are understandable to have the ability to penetrate. But I’m talking a standard issue rifle penetrating stone after I’m more than a few frames out of sight or in the case of getting shot through the hill, completely obscured. Come on now, that’s what I’m calling out as cheats.

Yes, this is true that they have every match played by every user that played. However, there is no data on this website that shows that there were 1.8 million people playing this game over the last 3 months. If there were 1.8 million people playing this game over the last 3 months as you said, then there would be more concurrent players playing on steam and other platforms and there would be less need for Bots to fill slots of active players in the game. But this is not the case, and your proposed numbers of players that actively played the game over the last 3 months doesn’t add up. This is what I’m getting at when I ask where did you get the metrics for your data from.

I see from digging there was a post on this very forum back in 2023 that was talking about having 1.6 million live players.

But searching still the closet that I could find was Activeplayers which has a total average player count being less then 550k each month over the last 3 months so at most a little over 1.5 million over those months and way less than that actually playing the game at less than 450k total daily for those 3 months. You would have to add in your fourth month being august to get these numbers over 1.5 million I’ll give you that. But to say that these numbers are present on the replay site as your source of the data is wrong.

Once again though I’m glad that you have prior skill from your CS days. However, it’s pretty easy to score points in this game you can literally build a rally, and score points even after original squad that built the rally dies. You can get assists on kills for points, you can get kills while protecting/attacking objectives, etc. Points don’t exclude the fact that cheating is in the game, just like lag doesn’t exclude the fact that cheating is in the game. When I reported cheaters in this game, I was doing so with sufficient evidence to prove my claim to the devs for them to ban that player from the game.

that is cause i scrapped all that data into my database and then ran query that showed me the number.

there are simply loads of casual players that play few battles.

here is from my last year stat analysis(will soon make new one, so make do with this one for now)

that site is trash and shouldnt be trusted cause they just make up numbers.

check Enlisted stats- postmerge edition
like i said it is old, but you will at least know more data.

how many players you reported in last 4 months were actually banned? there were 3 lists of banned players from manual reports with total 60-80 players across all 3 list.

i dont know your skill level, i dont know your game knowledge and i dont know if you actually bothered to check replay before accusing someone. i remain skeptical of any cheater accusations if people dont provide actual proof.

btw here are results of query for unique users by month(only have data for third of november and there are some gaps in september and october. data from zombie event is not included in this)

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here is number of total unique users from 01.08.2024-11.11.2024

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what is the actually player per hour or whatever it call tho

concurrent player?
here is player count by minute.

So, your data is irrelevant then because it can’t be proven. And the data that you were “Working” with was wrong to begin with since it gave the misinformation that you then tried to pass off as fact.

Even with casual players playing “few matches” you’d still have more of a player base then what the game has. So your claim that this game has 1.8 million players is still false.

This is last years data not this years. You can already tell from my last post that the numbers are not looking good. Hence my statement about the player base that you claim is 1.8 million is false.

And we should just trust YOUR numbers that YOU throw into YOUR database as fact? I’d be more pressed to believe a site that “makes up numbers” then your data. Where is your proof that they make up numbers? Or is that in some database that only you have access to?

Do these lists post who banned them? No, they don’t. Am I supposed to remember ever person that I turned in through their slow service in game? No, I’m not. Also, the ones that I turned in on the report website like every other post that is made hardly gets answered. So, if the devs don’t care to answer with at least a “We are looking into it” than why should I bother. Not to mention it’s kind of weird for you to be so into getting someone banned due to cheating that you look at a list just so you can be like “Yeah, I got’em”.

I know my way around an FPS which is why I point out so many problems with this game in other posts since its so far behind in comparison to a lot of the games out there today. And obviously if you would have read my past posts in this thread, me commenting about the replay system being slow and having an abnormal video file system that forces you to watch replays while being in the game client you can say that I’ve used it quite a few times.

you can easily scrap data yourself. here is link to json file with information Gaijin Entertainment - Single Sign On

i have collected data from august till november and have it in my database. if you want proof, these are your battles in that time period. time is for CET/CEST time zone (GMT+2)

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366032115286756823 volokolamsk_fortification_inv Fortified district ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 01:26:56 2024-08-28 01:53:54 00:27:04 1724801216 1724802834
366042242819641551 pacific_gavutu_inv Gavutu North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 02:06:12 2024-08-28 02:27:11 00:21:02 1724803572 1724804831
366065847959902099 normandy_coast_ruins_inv Ruins of Vaux South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 03:38:13 2024-08-28 04:07:10 00:29:04 1724809093 1724810830
366076057097165417 normandy_aerodrome_inv Airfield West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 04:17:37 2024-08-28 04:49:44 00:32:16 1724811457 1724813384
366358214973701627 normandy_village_inv La Perelle Village North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 22:32:28 2024-08-28 22:47:53 00:15:32 1724877148 1724878073
366371920214344486 tunisia_oasis_inv Oasis North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-28 23:25:44 2024-08-28 23:50:46 00:25:09 1724880344 1724881846
366400726560001091 tunisia_city_bomb Al Har ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-08-29 01:17:19 2024-08-29 01:43:00 00:25:47 1724887039 1724888580
366725589296364726 pacific_guadalcanal_inv Guadalcanal Coast East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-29 22:18:01 2024-08-29 22:38:57 00:21:02 1724962681 1724963937
366776845436079559 normandy_village_inv La Perelle Village North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-30 01:36:57 2024-08-30 01:59:17 00:22:27 1724974617 1724975957
366789425395290441 normandy_power_inv_counter Power plant North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-08-30 02:25:52 2024-08-30 02:47:14 00:21:31 1724977552 1724978834
367542964522544835 volokolamsk_forestry_inv_counter The Maisky Forestry North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-01 03:10:05 2024-09-01 03:27:56 00:17:58 1725153005 1725154076
367548457785716867 pacific_vertical_inv Alligator Creek South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-01 03:31:23 2024-09-01 03:54:31 00:23:16 1725154283 1725155671
367890947067871077 volokolamsk_fortification_dom Fortified district ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-02 01:40:18 2024-09-02 02:03:57 00:23:46 1725234018 1725235437
367897402403717446 rzhev_city_conf Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-02 02:05:16 2024-09-02 02:47:45 00:42:38 1725235516 1725238065
368659750507798680 normandy_omer_inv Omer North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-04 03:23:55 2024-09-04 03:57:04 00:33:21 1725413035 1725415024
369028258701824776 volokolamsk_quarry_inv Quarry South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-05 03:13:31 2024-09-05 03:43:47 00:30:21 1725498811 1725500627
369698471168550564 volokolamsk_city_dom Pokrovskoe City ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-06 22:34:23 2024-09-06 22:57:33 00:23:17 1725654863 1725656253
370451799842411809 tunisia_oasis_inv_counter Oasis South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-08 23:17:43 2024-09-08 23:35:31 00:17:57 1725830263 1725831331
370461540828240015 normandy_aerodrome_inv Airfield West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-08 23:55:23 2024-09-09 00:24:31 00:29:14 1725832523 1725834271
370803557663982036 normandy_aerodrome_inv_counter Airfield East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-09 22:02:40 2024-09-09 22:22:45 00:20:11 1725912160 1725913365
370814617204770223 rzhev_city_inv_counter Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-09 22:45:32 2024-09-09 23:20:19 00:34:54 1725914732 1725916819
370859332109292217 ardennes_forest_inv Hürtgen Forest ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-10 01:39:11 2024-09-10 02:03:31 00:24:28 1725925151 1725926611
370884272984381795 tunisia_fortress_inv Fortress East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-10 03:15:57 2024-09-10 03:33:10 00:17:20 1725930957 1725931990
371172409455392369 pacific_gavutu_bomb_aerodrome_counter Gavutu airfield South ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-10 21:53:52 2024-09-10 22:23:39 00:29:51 1725998032 1725999819
371186771826031494 tunisia_oasis_inv_counter Oasis South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-10 22:49:45 2024-09-10 23:10:26 00:20:47 1726001385 1726002626
371212395600921431 pacific_gavutu_dom Gavutu ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-11 00:29:12 2024-09-11 00:48:12 00:19:06 1726007352 1726008492
371227050029336411 normandy_village_inv_counter La Perelle Village South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-11 01:26:04 2024-09-11 01:49:03 00:23:06 1726010764 1726012143
371239346520705747 pacific_guadalcanal_conf Guadalcanal Coast ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-11 02:13:43 2024-09-11 02:34:44 00:21:06 1726013623 1726014884
371239531204299483 tunisia_cave_inv Kahif cave village East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-11 02:14:39 2024-09-11 02:46:23 00:31:52 1726013679 1726015583
371490864100545639 volokolamsk_grove_inv_counter Birch Grove East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-11 18:29:38 2024-09-11 18:49:48 00:20:16 1726072178 1726073388
371496168385156856 pacific_gavutu_inv Gavutu North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-11 18:50:23 2024-09-11 19:16:04 00:25:47 1726073423 1726074964
371503392520149598 normandy_village_inv La Perelle Village North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-11 19:18:22 2024-09-11 19:32:38 00:14:23 1726075102 1726075958
371576364014516254 pacific_new_georgia_caves_inv_counter Munda Trail: Shimizu Hill ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-12 00:01:36 2024-09-12 00:30:20 00:28:51 1726092096 1726093820
371929015189284468 stalingrad_entrance_conf Tractor Plant ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-12 22:50:01 2024-09-12 23:24:25 00:34:32 1726174201 1726176265
371930797600712455 tunisia_farm_bomb Al Jabal Farm ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-12 22:56:48 2024-09-12 23:28:16 00:31:33 1726174608 1726176496
372279879657658460 stalingrad_entrance_inv_counter Tractor Plant West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-13 21:31:29 2024-09-13 21:55:15 00:23:53 1726255889 1726257315
372288907678915744 ardennes_forest_inv Hürtgen Forest ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-13 22:06:45 2024-09-13 22:42:08 00:35:31 1726258005 1726260128
372301526292832838 volokolamsk_fortification_dom Fortified district ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-13 22:55:41 2024-09-13 23:26:25 00:30:52 1726260941 1726262785
372310919386310141 pacific_new_georgia_caves_inv Munda Trail: Bibilo Hill ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-13 23:31:52 2024-09-13 23:53:11 00:21:24 1726263112 1726264391
372635429935359457 ardennes_height_conf Dominant height ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-14 20:31:19 2024-09-14 20:50:39 00:19:27 1726338679 1726339839
372635734878037520 normandy_aerodrome_inv_counter Airfield East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-14 20:32:31 2024-09-14 20:52:17 00:19:53 1726338751 1726339937
372641649048004927 pacific_vertical_assault Alligator Creek ({mission_type}) assault 2024-09-14 20:55:28 2024-09-14 21:15:27 00:20:07 1726340128 1726341327
372651183875403365 tunisia_oasis_dom Oasis ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-14 21:32:27 2024-09-14 22:03:41 00:31:21 1726342347 1726344221
373035626398111646 volokolamsk_grove_assault Birch Grove ({mission_type}) assault 2024-09-15 22:24:19 2024-09-15 22:52:14 00:28:03 1726431859 1726433534
373047836990135465 pacific_new_georgia_conf New Georgia ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-15 23:11:40 2024-09-15 23:28:49 00:17:16 1726434700 1726435729
373048249306995925 pacific_gavutu_bomb_counter Gavutu South ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-15 23:13:16 2024-09-15 23:37:30 00:24:19 1726434796 1726436250
373394556815069409 pacific_new_georgia_bomb New Georgia ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-16 21:37:03 2024-09-16 21:56:39 00:19:42 1726515423 1726516599
373400174632293189 pacific_guadalcanal_conf Guadalcanal Coast ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-16 21:58:52 2024-09-16 22:11:01 00:12:15 1726516732 1726517461
373400410855494492 pacific_new_georgia_caves_inv Munda Trail: Bibilo Hill ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-16 21:59:40 2024-09-16 22:26:30 00:26:56 1726516780 1726518390
373500977514737864 normandy_coast_farm_dom Château du Bosq ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-17 04:30:04 2024-09-17 04:48:36 00:18:37 1726540204 1726541316
373506573857124924 pacific_new_georgia_conf New Georgia ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-17 04:51:54 2024-09-17 05:21:01 00:29:15 1726541514 1726543261
373507033418625634 tunisia_cave_conf Kahif cave village ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-17 04:53:40 2024-09-17 05:28:52 00:35:21 1726541620 1726543732
373507441440518779 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-17 04:55:04 2024-09-17 05:16:42 00:21:45 1726541704 1726543002
373811091333404377 pacific_guadalcanal_dom Alligator Creek ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-18 00:33:17 2024-09-18 01:04:47 00:31:34 1726612397 1726614287
374106348860189926 tunisia_fortress_inv_counter Fortress West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-18 19:39:06 2024-09-18 20:05:38 00:26:38 1726681146 1726682738
374430837934393682 pacific_native_inv Tenaru River East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-19 16:38:22 2024-09-19 16:57:09 00:18:52 1726756702 1726757829
374435944650509259 volokolamsk_forestry_bomb The Maisky Forestry ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-19 16:58:02 2024-09-19 17:23:38 00:25:41 1726757882 1726759418
374544156351543993 normandy_omer_bomb Omer ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-19 23:58:10 2024-09-20 00:23:38 00:25:35 1726783090 1726784618
374845852034308226 normandy_coast_city_inv Ver-sur-Mer South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-20 19:28:48 2024-09-20 19:55:05 00:26:22 1726853328 1726854905
374848544978803144 tunisia_gorge_inv_counter Gorge South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-20 19:39:19 2024-09-20 20:07:02 00:27:51 1726853959 1726855622
374986662537120955 normandy_power_inv Power plant South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-21 04:35:14 2024-09-21 04:50:39 00:15:32 1726886114 1726887039
374988234495151412 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-21 04:41:18 2024-09-21 05:10:46 00:29:34 1726886478 1726888246
375157705314732518 pacific_new_georgia_caves_dom Munda Trail ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-21 15:38:57 2024-09-21 15:54:33 00:15:43 1726925937 1726926873
375164564377505226 pacific_gavutu_conf Gavutu ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-21 16:05:39 2024-09-21 16:39:33 00:33:59 1726927539 1726929573
375165015349071374 normandy_station_inv Gare de Saint-Lo South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-21 16:07:18 2024-09-21 16:35:55 00:28:43 1726927638 1726929355
375235903784302224 tunisia_farm_conf Al Jabal Farm ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-21 20:42:40 2024-09-21 20:52:13 00:09:41 1726944160 1726944733
375236225906849469 stalingrad_communist_bomb Communist street ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-21 20:43:44 2024-09-21 21:13:13 00:29:36 1726944224 1726945993
375299482185192266 tunisia_oasis_inv_counter Oasis South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-22 00:49:13 2024-09-22 01:08:55 00:19:49 1726958953 1726960135
375527626553010449 pacific_new_georgia_dom New Georgia ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-22 15:34:27 2024-09-22 15:48:09 00:13:48 1727012067 1727012889
375627613391675628 normandy_village_inv La Perelle Village North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-22 22:02:26 2024-09-22 22:17:45 00:15:26 1727035346 1727036265
375965386799729391 pacific_gavutu_bomb_counter Gavutu South ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-09-23 19:53:02 2024-09-23 20:10:44 00:17:46 1727113982 1727115044
376267073892557671 normandy_omer_inv_counter Omer South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-24 15:23:55 2024-09-24 15:42:54 00:19:06 1727184235 1727185374
376656524347121671 tunisia_fortress_inv Fortress East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-25 16:35:11 2024-09-25 17:07:17 00:32:13 1727274911 1727276837
377031973208300136 tunisia_cave_inv Kahif cave village East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-26 16:52:05 2024-09-26 17:23:34 00:31:36 1727362325 1727364214
377386690262338608 pacific_guadalcanal_inv_counter Guadalcanal Coast West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-27 15:48:28 2024-09-27 16:01:13 00:12:50 1727444908 1727445673
377756847723815794 normandy_station_inv Gare de Saint-Lo South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-28 15:45:04 2024-09-28 16:10:55 00:25:58 1727531104 1727532655
378209000405954687 tunisia_city_conf Al Har ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-09-29 20:59:41 2024-09-29 21:22:35 00:23:04 1727636381 1727637755
378209331118436525 rzhev_city_dom Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) domination 2024-09-29 21:00:54 2024-09-29 21:20:37 00:19:52 1727636454 1727637637
378547572677926613 normandy_city_inv Le Bre West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-09-30 18:53:26 2024-09-30 19:12:18 00:18:56 1727715206 1727716338
378895258870499645 ardennes_height_dom Dominant height ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-01 17:22:38 2024-10-01 17:44:32 00:22:00 1727796158 1727797472
379260739112583368 normandy_village_inv_counter La Perelle Village South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-02 17:00:47 2024-10-02 17:16:53 00:16:12 1727881247 1727882213
379261958883295571 pacific_vertical_inv Alligator Creek South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-02 17:05:37 2024-10-02 17:30:16 00:24:44 1727881537 1727883016
379683724671799960 volokolamsk_voskhod_conf The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-03 20:22:10 2024-10-03 20:53:46 00:31:42 1727979730 1727981626
379684016729576117 volokolamsk_voskhod_conf The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-03 20:23:24 2024-10-03 21:03:10 00:39:52 1727979804 1727982190
379684386096763623 tunisia_fortress_inv_counter Fortress West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-03 20:24:45 2024-10-03 20:43:43 00:19:05 1727979885 1727981023
379698353330411865 pacific_gavutu_bomb Gavutu North ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-03 21:18:54 2024-10-03 21:39:40 00:20:50 1727983134 1727984380
379981494754454313 stalingrad_entrance_inv Tractor Plant East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-04 15:37:37 2024-10-04 16:09:42 00:32:11 1728049057 1728050982
379993563612557538 rzhev_city_conf Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-04 16:24:36 2024-10-04 16:43:41 00:19:13 1728051876 1728053021
379993799835758849 tunisia_oasis_inv_counter Oasis South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-04 16:25:27 2024-10-04 16:44:25 00:19:05 1728051927 1728053065
379996419765809726 volokolamsk_voskhod_bomb The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-04 16:35:38 2024-10-04 17:02:28 00:26:56 1728052538 1728054148
380358292235370004 volokolamsk_monastery_bomb Monastery ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-05 15:59:52 2024-10-05 16:16:57 00:17:12 1728136792 1728137817
380365924392256020 volokolamsk_village_inv Vysokovo Village East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-05 16:29:31 2024-10-05 16:48:42 00:19:18 1728138571 1728139722
380381970390076155 stalingrad_communist_inv_counter Communist street East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-05 17:31:57 2024-10-05 17:55:08 00:23:20 1728142317 1728143708
380741089785602602 volokolamsk_quarry_inv_counter Quarry North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-06 16:45:28 2024-10-06 17:08:47 00:23:26 1728225928 1728227327
380806158540146774 volokolamsk_fortification_inv Fortified district ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-06 20:57:55 2024-10-06 21:19:08 00:21:21 1728241075 1728242348
382222282271033365 stalingrad_univermag_conf Univermag ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-10 16:33:01 2024-10-10 16:43:21 00:10:25 1728570781 1728571401
382960539904650930 volokolamsk_river_dom Kamenka River ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-12 16:18:00 2024-10-12 16:34:08 00:16:15 1728742680 1728743648
382962631553724449 volokolamsk_fortification_inv Fortified district ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-12 16:26:00 2024-10-12 16:50:16 00:24:22 1728743160 1728744616
383051155124676439 pacific_new_georgia_bomb New Georgia ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-12 22:09:50 2024-10-12 22:26:13 00:16:32 1728763790 1728764773
383339746862228570 pacific_guadalcanal_inv Guadalcanal Coast East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-13 16:49:28 2024-10-13 17:04:52 00:15:29 1728830968 1728831892
384083764046987257 volokolamsk_voskhod_conf The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-15 16:56:42 2024-10-15 17:10:15 00:13:39 1729004202 1729005015
384084124824240166 volokolamsk_voskhod_inv_counter The Voskhod settlement West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-15 16:57:56 2024-10-15 17:15:19 00:17:29 1729004276 1729005319
384089390454145693 stalingrad_entrance_bomb Tractor Plant East ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-15 17:18:29 2024-10-15 17:36:41 00:18:20 1729005509 1729006601
384095905919534527 pacific_gavutu_inv_counter Gavutu South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-15 17:43:40 2024-10-15 18:17:48 00:34:12 1729007020 1729009068
384492803847393641 pacific_gavutu_inv Gavutu North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-16 19:23:54 2024-10-16 19:41:21 00:17:32 1729099434 1729100481
385180956392519746 pacific_native_inv Tenaru River East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-18 15:54:15 2024-10-18 16:13:15 00:19:05 1729259655 1729260795
385296014271428325 pacific_gavutu_bomb_aerodrome Gavutu airfield North ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-18 23:20:40 2024-10-18 23:43:54 00:23:17 1729286440 1729287834
385303629248444942 pacific_guadalcanal_inv_counter Guadalcanal Coast West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-18 23:50:26 2024-10-19 00:08:57 00:18:38 1729288226 1729289337
385619227740356914 rzhev_city_dom Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-19 20:15:07 2024-10-19 20:35:11 00:20:13 1729361707 1729362911
385688548512523395 pacific_vertical_assault Alligator Creek ({mission_type}) assault 2024-10-20 00:44:04 2024-10-20 01:06:55 00:22:56 1729377844 1729379215
385933924289136774 pacific_guadalcanal_inv Guadalcanal Coast East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-20 16:36:07 2024-10-20 16:51:57 00:15:54 1729434967 1729435917
385939932948384841 pacific_new_georgia_caves_inv_counter Munda Trail: Shimizu Hill ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-20 16:59:39 2024-10-20 17:31:17 00:31:44 1729436379 1729438277
386378612318107634 pacific_native_inv_counter Tenaru River South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-21 21:21:42 2024-10-21 21:34:45 00:13:08 1729538502 1729539285
386381610205280606 volokolamsk_village_inv_counter Vysokovo Village West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-21 21:33:33 2024-10-21 21:59:28 00:26:03 1729539213 1729540768
386715848855249474 pacific_gavutu_bomb_aerodrome_counter Gavutu airfield South ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-22 19:10:27 2024-10-22 19:27:54 00:17:31 1729617027 1729618074
386722291306194301 pacific_new_georgia_conf New Georgia ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-22 19:35:32 2024-10-22 20:19:29 00:44:05 1729618532 1729621169
386724790977160893 tunisia_gorge_assault Gorge ({mission_type}) assault 2024-10-22 19:45:12 2024-10-22 20:04:27 00:19:22 1729619112 1729620267
387133951036651157 ardennes_winter_inv Mountain pass ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-23 22:12:50 2024-10-23 22:31:29 00:18:45 1729714370 1729715489
387142038460070337 tunisia_cave_inv Kahif cave village East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-23 22:44:12 2024-10-23 23:03:08 00:19:01 1729716252 1729717388
387148493795916829 pacific_gavutu_bomb_counter Gavutu South ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-23 23:09:13 2024-10-23 23:27:37 00:18:27 1729717753 1729718857
387217483855597812 pacific_guadalcanal_dom Alligator Creek ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-24 03:37:17 2024-10-24 04:05:00 00:27:50 1729733837 1729735500
387415967179261987 normandy_aerodrome_inv Airfield West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-24 16:27:11 2024-10-24 16:49:53 00:22:47 1729780031 1729781393
387418501209966908 tunisia_gorge_assault Gorge ({mission_type}) assault 2024-10-24 16:37:12 2024-10-24 16:51:38 00:14:32 1729780632 1729781498
387425128344505378 volokolamsk_village_inv Vysokovo Village East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-24 17:02:51 2024-10-24 17:23:30 00:20:46 1729782171 1729783410
387815502217041549 tunisia_fortress_inv Fortress East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-25 18:17:42 2024-10-25 18:33:41 00:16:06 1729873062 1729874021
387899666396184369 stalingrad_entrance_bomb_counter Tractor Plant West ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-25 23:44:12 2024-10-25 23:54:20 00:10:14 1729892652 1729893260
387903725140279488 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-26 00:00:08 2024-10-26 00:32:45 00:32:47 1729893608 1729895565
388163403157987143 stalingrad_univermag_inv Univermag South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-26 16:47:50 2024-10-26 17:07:10 00:19:27 1729954070 1729955230
388169605090763445 volokolamsk_quarry_inv Quarry South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-26 17:11:44 2024-10-26 17:30:12 00:18:34 1729955504 1729956612
388299785549521577 volokolamsk_river_dom Kamenka River ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-27 01:37:02 2024-10-27 02:01:15 00:24:21 1729985822 1729990875
388304698992108600 volokolamsk_monastery_inv Monastery ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-27 01:56:10 2024-10-27 02:12:53 00:16:53 1729986970 1729991573
388533951461489572 normandy_coast_city_inv Ver-sur-Mer South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-27 15:45:38 2024-10-27 16:07:45 00:22:12 1730040338 1730041665
388537872766631376 volokolamsk_fortification_inv Fortified district ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-27 16:00:48 2024-10-27 16:26:25 00:25:44 1730041248 1730042785
388553867224844022 pacific_guadalcanal_inv Guadalcanal Coast East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-27 17:02:49 2024-10-27 17:18:44 00:16:00 1730044969 1730045924
389016722966079811 pacific_gavutu_bomb Gavutu North ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-10-28 22:58:56 2024-10-28 23:21:16 00:22:23 1730152736 1730154076
389298099158599815 pacific_new_georgia_conf New Georgia ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-10-29 17:10:50 2024-10-29 17:37:09 00:26:24 1730218250 1730219829
389298563015067925 pacific_guadalcanal_dom Alligator Creek ({mission_type}) domination 2024-10-29 17:12:56 2024-10-29 17:37:07 00:24:18 1730218376 1730219827
389651235664712346 volokolamsk_quarry_inv_counter Quarry North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-10-30 16:01:20 2024-10-30 16:23:39 00:22:25 1730300480 1730301819
389994815868584007 volokolamsk_manor_assault Manor ({mission_type}) assault 2024-10-31 14:14:23 2024-10-31 14:40:05 00:25:46 1730380463 1730382005
390358865886590607 volokolamsk_city_bomb Pokrovskoe City ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-01 13:47:03 2024-11-01 14:05:54 00:18:55 1730465223 1730466354
390365312632503420 volokolamsk_city_assault Pokrovskoe City ({mission_type}) assault 2024-11-01 14:12:09 2024-11-01 14:39:22 00:27:18 1730466729 1730468362
390373425825727526 normandy_aerodrome_inv_counter Airfield East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-01 14:43:37 2024-11-01 15:11:18 00:27:46 1730468617 1730470278
390562511760974541 volokolamsk_city_bomb Pokrovskoe City ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-02 02:57:25 2024-11-02 03:22:40 00:25:21 1730512645 1730514160
390776869283789473 tunisia_oasis_inv Oasis North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-02 16:49:20 2024-11-02 17:05:54 00:16:41 1730562560 1730563554
390782560115458165 tunisia_gorge_bomb Gorge ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-02 17:11:13 2024-11-02 17:27:41 00:16:32 1730563873 1730564861
390787422018438547 ardennes_winter_conf Mountain pass ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-02 17:30:05 2024-11-02 18:01:17 00:31:17 1730565005 1730566877
390904300963490331 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 01:03:45 2024-11-03 01:23:38 00:19:59 1730592225 1730593418
390910163593850249 normandy_beach_inv_counter D-Day North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 01:26:41 2024-11-03 01:45:09 00:18:32 1730593601 1730594709
390917228815053198 volokolamsk_voskhod_bomb The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-03 01:54:00 2024-11-03 02:25:48 00:31:54 1730595240 1730597148
391129236990754354 ardennes_winter_inv Mountain pass ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 15:36:45 2024-11-03 16:01:45 00:25:07 1730644605 1730646105
391137126845679057 normandy_omer_bomb Omer ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-03 16:07:07 2024-11-03 16:24:16 00:17:13 1730646427 1730647456
391197333697249647 tunisia_fortress_inv_counter Fortress West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 20:00:46 2024-11-03 20:20:05 00:19:23 1730660446 1730661605
391203960831789004 normandy_coast_ruins_inv Ruins of Vaux South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 20:26:28 2024-11-03 20:48:05 00:21:40 1730661988 1730663285
391210888614039103 volokolamsk_lake_inv_counter Beloe Lake North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-03 20:53:38 2024-11-03 21:27:49 00:34:19 1730663618 1730665669
391220676844508809 volokolamsk_voskhod_bomb The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-03 21:31:28 2024-11-03 21:41:09 00:09:47 1730665888 1730666469
391306657794820225 ardennes_winter_conf Mountain pass ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-04 03:05:05 2024-11-04 03:29:44 00:24:44 1730685905 1730687384
391313503972690887 ardennes_winter_inv Mountain pass ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-04 03:31:34 2024-11-04 03:48:21 00:16:51 1730687494 1730688501
391319834754485946 volokolamsk_manor_assault Manor ({mission_type}) assault 2024-11-04 03:56:09 2024-11-04 04:07:35 00:11:31 1730688969 1730689655
391563655752947035 normandy_power_inv Power plant South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-04 19:42:09 2024-11-04 20:12:56 00:30:52 1730745729 1730747576
391574818372951448 normandy_coast_city_dom Ver-sur-Mer ({mission_type}) domination 2024-11-04 20:25:26 2024-11-04 20:44:09 00:18:46 1730748326 1730749449
391656585960343739 tunisia_cave_inv_counter Kahif cave village West ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-05 01:42:44 2024-11-05 02:17:12 00:34:31 1730767364 1730769432
391668706358054328 volokolamsk_monastery_dom Monastery ({mission_type}) domination 2024-11-05 02:29:50 2024-11-05 02:54:23 00:24:39 1730770190 1730771663
391676342809907437 ardennes_winter_conf Mountain pass ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-05 02:59:29 2024-11-05 03:36:16 00:36:53 1730771969 1730774176
391908623231237046 tunisia_city_inv_counter Al Har East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-05 18:00:49 2024-11-05 18:26:15 00:25:31 1730826049 1730827575
391931717270392122 ardennes_winter_inv Mountain pass ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-05 19:30:23 2024-11-05 19:53:44 00:23:26 1730831423 1730832824
391939443916559085 volokolamsk_voskhod_bomb The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-05 20:00:27 2024-11-05 20:19:48 00:19:27 1730833227 1730834388
392021615230877294 volokolamsk_monastery_bomb Monastery ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-06 01:19:22 2024-11-06 01:38:12 00:18:58 1730852362 1730853492
392027735559274733 rzhev_city_conf Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-06 01:43:01 2024-11-06 02:11:08 00:28:12 1730853781 1730855468
392038511632221512 pacific_vertical_inv_counter Alligator Creek North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-06 02:24:49 2024-11-06 02:52:48 00:28:02 1730856289 1730857968
392311856235873680 pacific_guadalcanal_inv Guadalcanal Coast East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-06 20:05:30 2024-11-06 20:24:58 00:19:30 1730919930 1730921098
392318410355968500 volokolamsk_village_assault Vysokovo Village ({mission_type}) assault 2024-11-06 20:30:58 2024-11-06 21:03:31 00:32:38 1730921458 1730923411
392374300765398824 normandy_village_inv La Perelle Village North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-07 00:07:52 2024-11-07 00:28:23 00:20:36 1730934472 1730935703
392380502698174874 volokolamsk_quarry_inv_counter Quarry North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-07 00:31:55 2024-11-07 00:55:15 00:23:24 1730935915 1730937315
392387868567088261 stalingrad_gogol_inv Gogol street East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-07 01:00:36 2024-11-07 01:33:50 00:33:21 1730937636 1730939630
392399220165652631 rzhev_city_dom Rzhev: Left Bank ({mission_type}) domination 2024-11-07 01:44:36 2024-11-07 02:03:23 00:18:53 1730940276 1730941403
392667458053187709 pacific_new_georgia_conf New Georgia ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-07 19:05:26 2024-11-07 19:33:03 00:27:42 1731002726 1731004383
392720707057731935 stalingrad_univermag_inv_counter Univermag North ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-07 22:32:07 2024-11-07 22:55:06 00:23:05 1731015127 1731016506
392727351372139675 volokolamsk_city_assault Pokrovskoe City ({mission_type}) assault 2024-11-07 22:57:58 2024-11-07 23:08:44 00:10:53 1731016678 1731017324
392776043416379467 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-08 02:06:49 2024-11-08 02:30:00 00:23:16 1731028009 1731029400
392782661960983246 volokolamsk_grove_assault Birch Grove ({mission_type}) assault 2024-11-08 02:32:33 2024-11-08 03:05:14 00:32:47 1731029553 1731031514
392793420854060752 volokolamsk_voskhod_bomb The Voskhod settlement ({mission_type}) destruction 2024-11-08 03:14:15 2024-11-08 03:36:36 00:22:26 1731032055 1731033396
392990302154930177 volokolamsk_manor_dom Manor ({mission_type}) domination 2024-11-08 15:58:15 2024-11-08 16:09:05 00:10:54 1731077895 1731078545
392993888452622950 stalingrad_communist_inv_counter Communist street East ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-08 16:12:09 2024-11-08 16:31:19 00:19:14 1731078729 1731079879
393055379499411035 volokolamsk_lake_inv Beloe Lake South ({mission_type}) invasion 2024-11-08 20:10:47 2024-11-08 20:30:54 00:20:12 1731093047 1731094254
393071623065727378 stalingrad_univermag_conf Univermag ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-08 21:13:55 2024-11-08 21:24:48 00:11:00 1731096835 1731097488
393074839996232639 stalingrad_entrance_conf Tractor Plant ({mission_type}) confrontation 2024-11-08 21:26:19 2024-11-08 21:58:41 00:32:26 1731097579 1731099521

replay data is public info and anyone with little programming knowledge can scrape that data if they invest little time.

It’s cool that you pulled my data from the matches I played during those months. But it still doesn’t explain why the website I posted as a reference is “trash” as you put it. Since when I asked you prior to my post with this website you only mentioned the replay site. Which again does not have the data for every player that plays every day or month. It just has the matches that are played, so if you go off of only that you are also lumping in Bots which are not live players with accounts. They are the same as the AI squad mates that follow you around in game.

cause it doesnt reference any real data. it just makes random guess from who knows where.

tell me if you can see the difference between bot and real player.
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here is thread from year and half ago when i got all bot names cause of that difference.

btw there were usually 2 websites used to see player number

that shows

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here is just steamcharts for comparison.
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and this is concurrent players

and here is other site

which shows
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so tell me if data on those sites is BS?

Not true, it just says that the data used is estimates which could be data that was pulled halfway through a month or a year just like your data. So, by your statement your data comes from who knows where as well. Because your pulled incomplete data and trying to pass it off as full years’ worth of data at this point in the year which is not over yet. And in fact, the most complete data will not be fully accessible until almost the middle of January due to holidays and numbers being collected posted after the holidays are done.

But according to you concurrent players don’t count as real data because it only shows players that have the game launched and not really playing matches. So, steam charts data is wrong according to your earlier post. You can’t have it both ways when trying to show player data in matches.

Also, since you want to use Steam now here is more steam data. Do you see why anyone’s data could be wrong at this point?

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  • Enlisted
  • 3,934players right now
  • 4,96324-hour peak
  • 7,279all-time peak 2 months ago

https://steamdb.info/app/2051620/charts/

I won my 10 games in a row with the join any nightmare option lol

what part of they arent using any real data dont you understand. they used same estimates when replays werent even a thing.
if i had to guess on how they are getting their data it is probably based on google trends or whatever.

not wrong, but also not exactly correct. you could easily login into the game through steam and just do whatever without playing any match and then quit. steamcharts will show you in concurrent players number even if you didnt play any match. it will not show if you played any game as well it will not show people who are logged in through standalone launchers and consoles.

most correct way to see concurrent player number is to actually get all raw data from replay site and count players with userid>0(to make sure they are not bots). that way you will get all players that are on steam, standalone launcher and consoles.

it is basically just copy of steamcharts… they have hourly snapshots.

They are clearly not just pulling data out of thin air, but they know that it’s not full data. Therefore, they say that it is estimates. And just because you have no clue where they get their data from doesn’t mean yours is the end all be all of data collection and representation. Thats what I’m saying, that’s what I’m getting at. So maybe it’s something that you’re not understanding. Or you think that you are infallible because you collect snips of data and show charts that could be missing pieces that even you don’t know because what if the data the Enlisted website is giving you is not fully complete. Sure, replays are public, but not everything that the devs collect from the game is for public consumption.

What I’m getting at is do you think that devs would be silent if their game was was boasting over a million players in 3-4 months? I can’t think of one that would be silent about a stat like that. Devs are so quick to boast player counts in order to get more players on to their game, but with this its a small peep of we hit over 7k concurrent players. And then nothing…like a fart in the wind.

But back to the original statement that if the game had the numbers of active players that you were stating then the game would not need to use Bots to fill the place of an active player. So, since you want to throw out steam concurrent players and use a tracker for these other millions of players. Then where are they in the overall stats of the game? Why does the game need to fill teams with bots if there is “over a million players playing the game?”

That snapshot was from less than 20 minutes after your snapshot from steamcharts. So, in total it would be your 4665 current players plus who ever logged on or off in 20 minutes from that snapshot. And it’s not so data from any place lie to you, unless you have access to the devs mainframe and can pull data from there you wouldn’t have accurate data. Because even the Replay site only holds data for so long before its removed.

please tell me from where they are pulling data. it is not replay site and it is not steamcharts.

i estimate that you have 0 knowledge about this.

one is datamined from official enlisted site other made their number up. who would you trust.

like i said numerous times in disclaimers, i could be missing information cause of various stuff. in last data collection they introduced few security measures that i didnt notice it on time so i had few days gap in data collection. still that missing information will be more correct than any other information that is currently publicly available anywhere else. also whatever numbers i have shown will be minimal numbers from that period and could only be bigger.

that is why i can only work with what is publicly available. players, bots, maps, time played etc.
some things are calculated based on game knowledge from data that i have(e.g. deserter count, bots entering match etc.). for data that i dont have i dont claim knowledge of.

cause core audience that plays daily is minority. casuals that play 1 match per week or 1 match per month are vast majority.
just look at this data from weekly analysis from year ago.
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if i included all players from last 3 months i would get over 95% of players playing less than 1 battle daily and probably 80% of them plays less than 1 game per week(this is total shit number out of my ass, so wait for next stat analysis that should come out in next week or two for accurate one).

cause you cant do math. just cause there are 1.8 million unique players that have played the game during 3 months, doesnt mean that there are 1.8 million players daily, nor does it mean that there are 1.8 million players concurrent players.
here is concurrent chart made from data from replay site

now lets do math for how many people are in queue every minute:
lets take peak of 12k players for calculation:
12k divided by 3 servers=4k
4k divided by 20(average match duration)= 200
200 divided by 4 factions= 50
50 divided by 5 BR= 10

so in most ideal conditions where everything is distributed evenly at peak hour you will get 10 players per faction per BR. what happens in off peak when there are 3k players? 2.5 players every minute per faction per BR. but players are not distributed evenly across servers, factions nor BR.

btw here is early preview of stats analysis

most bots in game currently happen cause people desert and not cause they are initially matched with them. reason why they dont replace deserters with actual players is cause people hate being put into already ongoing match. also you will never get prematch bots to 0 cause during night for any server region you will have battles with 18-19 bots and 1 player.

check charts which show peak. you have slight discrepancy of few % cause it was taken with few minutes difference between them.

and here we go into the crux of things. what do you think replay site is? it is data directly from devs. not from steam, not from xbox, not from sony, not from some third party website that makes up numbers. check url carefully.

https://www.enlisted.net/en/replays/load/page/1/

that is why people scrap data. before october i could pull last 2 weeks of data from replay site(but it was resource intensive) or last ~12 hours for non resource intensive way. after october i could pull only last ~3 hours of data. that is why i had script getting all data from the site into my databse every 8 hours before october and after october i had it take every hour for 24 hours per day for total of 3 months data.

Why don’t you do some work for a change and ask them where they get their data from. It’s not my website so I really don’t care at this point. The fact that you’re calling them trash on no basis but some bias opinion of yourself is why I brought it up in the first place.

The fact that they say these exact words on their website right before they start listing charts and data. Okay yep, I know nothing I just know how to read words off a page.

End of the day I wouldn’t trust your data is what I’m saying. Not saying that I trust their data either. Maybe you missed it when I brought up that I really could care less what happens to this game. Oh, wait you did miss it just like when you missed other things that I brough up in past post on this very thread. Damn…

And any other information on any other website could be the same thing. Everyone can miss data at some point. The fact that once again I state that you have some complex that your information is more correct than anyone elses says a lot about you.

And with this statement it further proves my point that I’m making. Honestly what makes your data so much better? Because you mined it from an “Official” website? I bet you’d look like a right backside if tomorrow the devs come out and say yes, we only have 7k players and not the data that we have on this official website of replays. You know that these replays can hold false information as they don’t apply IP addresses to them. So you could be counting the same person multiple times using different “Names and userIDs”.

So, I ask again what is the difference between your “Disclaimers” about you not knowing something and a website saying that “This data is estimates?” Nothing you’re both guessing at some point based on information that you know that is public. But because its “Your datamined information” You have a superiority complex about it and can’t be wrong or see another person side of when it comes to how data is displayed to people. Case in point you first said no concurrent players, I showed you Activeplayers, you said no its trash with bad information and then showed Steamcharts which has concurrent players, I then should you the same steam information from a different website title only 20 minutes apart and it was drastically different. But this was still not enough for you.

Old data, if we went by this data than yes LAST year the game might have been more played and Popular with the player base. However THIS year the game looks like its declined because of many events in the gaming space. For example people leave, people play other things(Lots of other better games have come out), etc.

You’re the one coming up with these shit numbers, maybe you should crunch more data and figure out that 1.8 million is not 7k which actually play the game or as you put it “Launch the game and sit in the menus”. So thanks for proving my point that your 1.8 million players is a farce. 7k players are on average playing the game daily, not 1.8 million.

Not really, some matches will start with bots on the team because the game launches you into a match without filling teams because “Wait times need to be low”. So, your put into matches with more bots on one team then the other. Yes, Bots replace people who desert, yes people hate getting put into prelaunched matches but it still happens.

That is what I’m saying to you. data is not always finite. Depending on when you scrap data is what you get.

But this is also the issue of it, the data erases, mishaps happen during transfer. One person can’t effective scrap ever bit of data at all times. You will miss something, and it will mess with your data. Hence why site will say “These are estimates.” Or in your case you have your “Disclaimers”.