Zk-381 🇨🇿

In February 1938 Josef KouckĂ˝ began work on rifle which was designated ZK 381 and it represented a very viable design with a number of original elements. Its operating system used a locked breech with gas pressure on the piston, but unlike the ZH rifles of Emanuel Holek or the Strakonice vz. 35, it had a bolt that folded into the lower part of the breech housing.
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ZK-381

In the spring of 1938, a Soviet military delegation visited the armory, among the weapons on display, ZK 381 caught their attention, and they expressed interest in its conversion to the Soviet 7.62 x 54 R (7.62 mm Mosin) cartridge. The Soviet side supplied the armory with 30,000 rounds for internal tests, as ammunition of this caliber was not produced in Czechoslovakia at the time. The armory produced two samples, one with a non-removable magazine for 5 rounds and the other with a standard, detachable magazine for 10 rounds. The samples were designated ZK 381 Au, with the additional designation being the internal code used by the armory for the USSR.

In addition to the Brno arms factory, designers from Strakonice also participated in the tests at the Kolomna polygon, which took place in the first half of October 1938.

The test results not only showed the pitfalls of completely different cartridge designs, but also brought a lot of knowledge about the Soviet weapons testing methodology.

For the next announced round of tests, the Soviet commission demanded that the weapon be modified to have a magazine, structurally based on the AVS 36 automatic rifle, the stock be modified to have a shape corresponding to the Mosin rifle, and the design of the sighting telescope. As early as December 1938, the arms factory apparently put three samples into production with the designation ZK 381 Au II, of which pieces with numbers 014 and 016 have survived. One of them passed internal durability tests in March 1939 by firing 14,000 rounds. As a result of the occupation of the remaining part of the republic, there was no demonstration in the Soviet Union, although contacts with the Soviet side had not yet completely ceased.


ZK 381 Au II without Magazine

Even before the occupation, from February 26 to March 6, 1939, Josef Koucký, Emauel Holek, ing. František Sikyta and Otakar Galaš demonstrated the ZK 381 in France, successfully, but without further results.

The ZK-381 was also tested in Germany, Spain, and Italy but also without success.

In June 1939, the arms factory experimental workshop received an order to produce 8 ZK 381 rifles and another 5 were to be manufactured according to the specifications of the German military administration. We do not yet have any further information about the tests at the Kummersdorf testing center, where they were assessed by the infantry weapons department.

More detailed information about the ZK-381

The locking surface of the breech did not rest in a recess in the breech housing, but in a transversely inserted support with an eccentric head and secured by a nut. The advantage of the solution was that it was no longer necessary to produce a precisely tolerated and particle-hardened locking surface in the lower part of the breech housing. The replaceable support also allowed for precise definition of the breech clearance in the event of its increase, both as a result of increased breech clearances due to wear from shooting and inaccuracies in serial production. The arms company applied for patent protection for the solution in February 1938 and received patent No. 67,035.

pushed backwards by a spring in the piston. The rear of the piston passed through a guide in the bridge of the breech block and transmitted the impulse of the collected gases to the front surface of the bolt carrier. The support not only secured the piston in the rear of the guide, but also returned the piston to the front position by spring pressure. The elegant design of the piston was covered from above by a wooden handguard, secured in the rear by a flexible yoke, whicph the shooter only needed to release with the tip of a sharp bullet. The design of the piston was protected by the arms factory with patent No. 72,096, also filed in February 1938.

Josef KouckĂ˝ also used the flexibility of the arm for securing the gas cylinder cap (expansion sleeve), held in the tube by a pair of symmetrical teeth. The patented solution also included the possibility of fixing the cap arm with a plunger stem placed under the barrel. The gas cylinder cap could also be installed upside down, whereby the shooter closed the bypass channel and the rifle then functioned only as a repeater. The factory applied for protection for the design in July 1938 and received patent No. 71,873.

Josef KouckĂ˝ solved the firing mechanism in a very unconventional way. He completely abandoned the traditional concept of a hammer placed in the lower part of the bolt housing and spring-loaded by a separate firing spring. He placed the rotating hammer directly in the rear part of the bolt carrier and connected it to the support rod of the recoil spring. The recoil spring not only controlled the forward movement of the bolt, but also functioned as a firing pin. A similar solution had not yet appeared in any self-loading rifle. Zbrojovka applied for patent protection in December 1938, but it was not until June 1943 that it received patent number 72,136.
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Patent 72,136

The rifle also had an original trigger mechanism with an added fire readiness function. After the last round was fired, the trigger bar caught the bolt carrier. After changing the magazine, it was enough to pull the trigger, which released the slide and loaded the first round into the chamber. A second pull of the trigger then led to a shot. Although the subject of patent No. 71,875 was the rotating safety of the trigger mechanism, the patent, filed in January 1939, also covered the design of the trigger mechanism.
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Patent 71,185

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Specifications
Caliber 7.92 mm Mauser
Cartridge 7.92x57 mm Mauser
Length 1168 mm
Barrel Length 522.5 mm
Barrel Length (including Muzzle Brake) 593 mm
Weight without the Magazine 4.3 kg
Magazine Capacity 10 Rounds
Sources

VHU PRAHA
ZK 381: Czech Pre-War Prototype Battle Rifle - Forgotten Weapons

:white_check_mark: Weapon Type
Semi-Automatic Rifle
:white_check_mark: Battle Rating (BR)
BR3

:white_check_mark: Type
Event Weapon (Without squad)

:white_check_mark: Availability
Germany doesn’t have any good semi-automatic rifle in the TT (and many people don’t have the SVT Pavesi and Pavesi M42) so it would be interesting to have the ZK-381 in an event to solve the problem a little.

:white_check_mark: Gameplay Purpose & Role
It doesn’t fill any gap, but it solve the problem of a good semi-automatic in Germany BR3 a little.

ZK-381 should be added?
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As usual with rare weapons like this, I’m for any inclusion to the game except in the tech tree.

TT spots should be reserved for commonly fielded gear first, and balance nessesary gear second. This thing brings neither to the table, so a TT location is unwarranted.

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Agree, prototypes should only be placed in the TT when there are no more realistic options

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Right now ( in my opinion) VG1-5 buff made it a balanced and fair rival to SVT38 - even if both guns have a different role and gameplay.

G41 however stays terrible

A reload speed buff and a damage buff would close the performance gap, but it would even then stay inferior - which doesn’t necessarily needs to be a bad thing. A G41 with reliable one hit downs would be used by BR3 players when long range power is needed, as long as VG1-5 is powerful G41 can stay weak.

So in regard to ZK381, it would be a nice BR3 BP / event gun, so that Germany can have a full power rifle mag reload gun.

When we want to take the idea of “asymmetrical” balance serious - then having weaker gear for one specific role, and better gear for something else in return being cool and all - BUT when asymmetrical balance makes some gear utterly worthless (like G41) then asymmetrical balance as a concept fails, because people will simply not use these guns at all.

If one faction has only good rifles but terrible MGs, then the players will only use rifles.

The trick in asymmetrical balance is to make all roles “playable” while still having reasonable strengths and weaknesses.

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I think a large and overlooked problem with asymmetrical balance is that maps/gameplay largely influence said balance.

If objectives and maps were less CQB oriented and offered/forced combat at varying distances, we’d see much more interest in weapon balance for categories that right now don’t see much use, G41 being a good example, since not enough people care when their main weapon is SMGs.

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I hope that G41 finally receives these buffs this year

And Type 4 too

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I don’t care that that Japanese ammo is “technically” weaker, it’s not noticeable on a real level, and their differances to other service ammo in game is greatly exaggerated to begin with in game (if anyone disagrees, I’d ask them to volunteer to get shot by both 30-60 and 6.5 Japanese, and tell us just how different they feel).

Just make it do 12.7 damage (unugraded) for balance reasons, and leave it at that, no other changes nessesary.

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Irony here is that 6.5 arisaka spitzer bullet has quite high chance to yawn upon impact.
So in some cases, not life threatning wound from 30-06 could be entirely different with 6.5 arisaka.

While most? of time bigger caliber + higher muzzle energy = “higher dmg”
as the common believe is at forums, this is one of those cases when its not exactly that simple.

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Japanese 7.7x58 doing less damage than 7.62 is just pure chaos.
Its crazy similar to 303. British which consistently does 16.8 damage but for some weird reason, Japanese 7.7 only achieve 14.9 damage.
Okay, Japanese has less muzzle velocity so less damage is acceptable, but this just nonsense. At least give Japanese the standard 15.3 damage and give the weaker 6.5 round 14.something damage.

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Oh, it uses the 7.7 round…?

Well, my point still stands, just on even firmer grounds then.

Japanese had two rounds, one in 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka and another in 7.7x58 type 99 Arisaka.
Both stayed in service till the end of the war.

So some weapons are chambered in 7.7 like Type 4 rillfle or Type 99 rifle, other like Type hei were chambered in 6.5

So always check beforehand. It can be confusing.

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I was aware, I just had it in my head that it used the 6.5 round rather than the 7.7. :laughing:

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the current garand and johnson rifle are not as strong as the g43 which this is clearly equal to
having a smaller magazine and slower reload is not made up for by a bayonet or increase damage is a soldier can be downed or killed by one shot with both guns

You know, you can make your own topic about this outrageous disadvantage of two (2) rounds &
0.3-0.6s slower reload speed.

Rather than “spammin” that bs, to every topic.

i have but i cant spam it every time wheerabo want to drop the g43 to br3 or creat a br43 proxy in br3
i am sure if the allies got a 13 round rifle that reloaded in in 2 second you would feel the same
they just need to fix the g41 by buffing its stats to the same as the johnson and nerf the svt 38 yes it could use magazine but also clips

and yes 8 round magazine reloading in 2.9 second
compared to a ten round magazine reloading in 2.5 seconds is a major difference
i also made a suggestion a prototype of the johnson that has a ten round magazine instead of the drum fed magazine

While having 10 rounder myself ? Most likely not.
You are literally whining about so tiny differency that I can quite confidentally say that 96% of enlisted players cant make a differency in given time differency.
And you are literally whining about BR3 gun VS BR4 gun.
And to highlight the issue on hand the differency of your BR3 gun vs BR4 gun literally is 2 rounds and 0.3 - 0.6s reload differency.
Think about that for a while.

Yes, do 2-3 things rather than just 1.

Yes we all agree, now go venture to your own topic about this outrageous disadvantage.

Thank go so you’re not going to give this ten round semi auto gun the g43 2.5 second reload or worse the 2.1 second reload of the zh29
But give it a balanced reload of 3.5 to 3.7 seconds and not power creep every gun in br3

Yes do three things and balance br3 rifle rather then power creeping the entire br

Yeah, go make your own topic. Bye.

I will when you stop power creeping the axis, I just love how you wheeraboo only focus on balancing axis and ussr and always forget the allies
Really wheeraboo victim hood is like a natural anti deprecent

Also no reload stat
Let me guess you thought the m2 carbine was a match for the fg42 1 and 2
Or the kiraly 39m was balanced against a 30 round thompson
God I love the delusion

one separating br5 from br4 makes br4 br3
lowering g43 to br3 or creating a g43 in br3
the svt38 is broken
the g41 is based on stats before they dropped the johnson
the garand would be a match for the zk 381 if it had a reasonable reload
but adding a bigger mag and faster reload
oh i love how you ignored my adjusted stats
for if a weapon had the same stat advantage over the g43 as this gun would have over the garand stay classy

2.5s reload differency -/- fraction of seconds differency & 2 bullets.

Looks about equal problem.

Entirely irrelevant to subject considering theres T20.

Theres now 50 thompson at BR IV but I still dont see you bitching how thompson has 10 rounds more

Atleast they bring actual problems rather than bitch and whine about 2 bullets and 0.6s reload differency, which is extremely minimal considering it is BR3 VS BR4.

But as said, go make your own topic about this outrageous ~0.6s differency & 2 bullets.
This aint the topic to bitch about it.